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  • considering upgrade from vlx to x25, any wake pics or vids?

    Hi,

    i am new to this site. i currently have an 06 wakesetter vlx running around 4000lb of ballast. i have heard alot of good things about the mastercraft x25 and am looking at buying one that is in stock at the local dealer with the 6l engine. i just have a few questions. how does this boat handle ballast i.e what is the wake going to be like with 4000lb? and does anyone have any pics they can upload of an x25 wake with alot of ballast? i have been searching the net for days and can only find wakesurfing pics and vids other than the mastercraft adds. An in boat shot of the wake should give me an indication. i havent test driven one yet though i am assuming the dealers would be hesitant of letting you slam their brand new boats with a heap of ballast. also would the 6l be enough with this sort of weight? i'm assuming the attitude plate should help it out a bit?

    thanks in advance for your help

    ashley

  • #2
    One thing you might want to consider is what your goals are (boarding, surfing, etc), what kind of water you are in, and different layouts. I love the x25 too but the x30 is a great boat too. I'm sure the x25 experts will be by soon about the ballast.

    theres some x25 vs x30 talks here:
    http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...&highlight=x25
    Last edited by 02ProstarSammyD; 12-01-2012, 08:45 AM.

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    • #3
      I don't have pics for you, but certainly according to all the very good wake boarding guys (wake snobs) I know, you do not need 4000lbs of ballast on an X25. Most people can't believe the wake with no ballast and typically stock ballast is as much as most people would ever want or need. This is one of the benefits of this boat. (Stock Ballast and you are ready to rock it) Extra ballast is typically added for surfing when sans people on the 25.


      As far as the 6.0, there is a post here debating it, basically plenty of power for the boat, 6.2 is really nice for better gas consumption, but certainly at a debatable value for the up-charge difference. Demo the boat, I think you will be shocked at the wake with stock!

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      • #4
        Best I could do on short notice. This was with no ballast, three people onboard, 22mph. I will try to find better ones when I have time. One thing I can say, is that you will have a better wakeboard wake in a X25 with stock ballast than the wake in a slammed VLX.

        Obviously, less than optimal water conditions in this pic.... I had a ton of pics on the camara that ended up at the bottom of the lake on labor day weekend
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        • #5
          That wake does look impressive for no ballast. i would still like to see pics of what it can do slammed though. as the reason we are upgrading is for the hunger for a biger wake. not that we need it (as harf done a 1260 behind my hull vlx and i will never get to that level) though i just like the feeling of getting punted by a big wake. we have maxed out my vlx. it gets to be a pain to drive with any more weight. so i'm just wondering if the x25 is the silent achiever i am looking for or if i should bite the bullet and get an x star. i'm not really keen on the upgrading of the tow vehicle is one of the big reasons i dont want an x star. as a mate and i are in partnership on the boats we buy and neither of us have a car capable of towing the x star legally at this point. plus the price difference is another deterent. thanks again in advance for any help.

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          • #6
            Sorry no loaded pics either. Here's no ballast. They let us sac them on demos here. Stock ballast + 500lbs. Is amazing. Again, pic with no ballast!
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            • #7
              Surprisingly it's hard to find pics of X-25 wakes especially heavily weighted.
              2013 X-30, 6.0L with 2500lbs of ballast and 500 lbs of lead.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by 501s View Post
                Surprisingly it's hard to find pics of X-25 wakes especially heavily weighted.
                it's like searching for Sasquatch
                1981 MasterCraft
                19' Skier 351W PowerSlot
                Long gone is the Trans AM waiting for another

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                • #9
                  We ran 3K for surfing but never went above stock for wakeboard. Wake is huge though no doubt.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 501s View Post
                    Surprisingly it's hard to find pics of X-25 wakes especially heavily weighted.
                    Thing is, nobody, at any level, seems to want more than stock ballast for wakeboarding behind the X25.

                    I have two friends that are seriously good wakeboarders, and they have never asked for more. I do wonder what it would be like though. If my boat was set up to add weight evenly, i probably would have tried it. However my additional ballast is all on the port side for surfing. (It is all plumbed in, so it is not easy to move around.....)

                    It is not just that the wake is big.... it has serious kick.


                    The IWWF world cup was pulled by an X25.... They said it was an X-Star, but it was not. Judging by the wake size, I wouldnt think there was much weight in the boat, however, it is sunk in pretty good when it is stopped. I think they must have 2-3k on. Nonetheless, the wake was plenty good for these pros.... Harley@7:15.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD3oh3SLSjQ

                    Seems like I remember sombody saying that the pros requested a X25 for this tourny, but that may not have been the case. Although, I couldnt see them passing up the Xstar to tow it, unless there was a reason. I highly doubt the X25 has a better pro wake than the 2nd gen Xstar with 3k onboard though.... They must have just wanted to try something different.

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                    • #11
                      I have an x30 and we have put in 1500 on top of the stock 1k and the wake is awesome. It's similar to a BU wake in that's its very clean at all speeds and rampy. I haven't rode an X25 but the people who talk about it say it has a lot of vertical kick.

                      When people say stock do they mean just 1k or stock 1k plus plug and play?

                      There are some pics and vids of my 30 wake but next summer I will have a 2013 x30!with the 6.0 and I plan to run an extra 1k for a total of 3500. I can't wait to see the wake!
                      2013 X-30, 6.0L with 2500lbs of ballast and 500 lbs of lead.
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                      • #12
                        Watch MC Rewind a section filmed at Guantanamo Bay '08 the pros riding a CSX 220 with stock ballast, same hull as the X25.

                        http://www.mastercraft.com/mctv

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                        • #13
                          I just got a short run today in a x25 with full factory ballast an 6 peeps in the boat. Wake had a nice width at 70ft back. Had a nice kick on it and decent transition. Reminded me a lot of a supra 21v wake just alittle smaller because the supra i ride behind runs about 2500 or so ballast. I would say if your running 4k ballast you will for sure be wanting to piggy back another 2k or so on the 25 to get the size your prob running now. I would really like to see how it's shape holds up with more weight and whether or not it washes at 22mph with more weight. Boat was very nice inside, seemed super solid.

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                          • #14
                            I think you're going to have a very hard time finding someone that runs 4k in a 25... mainly because i don't think the boat can handle that much ballast. I also don't think you'll find many riders who want that much ballast - the X25 has an awesome stock wake. I've heard reports of people who have ridden the 25 with more and they say its just scary big.

                            I'm surprised that as a rider who wants to put 4k in your boat you think wake shots from the boat could suffice as evidence looking for a new boat. Take almost any inboard on the market and put 4k in it and it'll probably look huge from the boat. how fast your running, how far back you can ride, how the lip feels, what the transition is like, all will effect how the ride behind the boat is.

                            taken from the mouth of an x25 owner who has owned both an xstar and a 25... the wake on the xstar is better with weight. if you really arent afraid of putting 4k in your boat... 04-11 xstar is for you

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                            • #15
                              I've got an X-25 with a dealer-added PnP. 95% of the time we ride stock ballast. Occasionally, we'll load the PnP, which adds about 1000 lbs (maybe it's 1200, I forget). The wake then is scary big. A good friend of mine is a top amateur rider, and his eyes light up when we fill the PnP.

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