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    Here's my situation. My wife has been driving ford expeditions for the past 13 years. We are on our 4th expedition and she is looking to downsize a bit. The main use for the expedition has been family traveler, carpool and tow rig. It has been great for all 3 duties but as I mentioned, she'd like to downsize a bit. My current car is a 97 FZJ80 land cruiser. great car, but even with solid axles and a full floating rear axle, it is only rated at 5000lbs towing here in the states. So we've been looking at cars that can still tow our X30 and our pontoon (25ft ~6K lbs). the pontoon is actually much harder to tow since it sits up much higher on the trailer and is obviously not very aerodynamic on the highway. I've looked at the Sequoia but it really isn't much smaller than the expedition. I like the size of the current 200 series land cruiser. The big benefit of getting the lexus over the LC for us is that you can get a certified preowned with a 100K mile warranty and we have a dealer about 2 miles from our house. we currently have to drive a fair amount to get to a ford or toyota dealer. you also get power fold rear seats in the lexus over the toyota version. this is a big deal for my wife as she ends up driving a ton daily running carpools and really like the power rear seats in the fords. our towing needs are probably modest compared to some here. i only tow the boats a few times a year to take them back and forth from the lake to my main house for yearly maintenance. the trip is about 70 miles each way with a mix of interstate and city driving.

    so, back to my question. any one tow with a lx570? if so, please share your thoughts. thanks.

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    Originally posted by jafo9 View Post
    Here's my situation. My wife has been driving ford expeditions for the past 13 years. We are on our 4th expedition and she is looking to downsize a bit. The main use for the expedition has been family traveler, carpool and tow rig. It has been great for all 3 duties but as I mentioned, she'd like to downsize a bit. My current car is a 97 FZJ80 land cruiser. great car, but even with solid axles and a full floating rear axle, it is only rated at 5000lbs towing here in the states. So we've been looking at cars that can still tow our X30 and our pontoon (25ft ~6K lbs). the pontoon is actually much harder to tow since it sits up much higher on the trailer and is obviously not very aerodynamic on the highway. I've looked at the Sequoia but it really isn't much smaller than the expedition. I like the size of the current 200 series land cruiser. The big benefit of getting the lexus over the LC for us is that you can get a certified preowned with a 100K mile warranty and we have a dealer about 2 miles from our house. we currently have to drive a fair amount to get to a ford or toyota dealer. you also get power fold rear seats in the lexus over the toyota version. this is a big deal for my wife as she ends up driving a ton daily running carpools and really like the power rear seats in the fords. our towing needs are probably modest compared to some here. i only tow the boats a few times a year to take them back and forth from the lake to my main house for yearly maintenance. the trip is about 70 miles each way with a mix of interstate and city driving.

    so, back to my question. any one tow with a lx570? if so, please share your thoughts. thanks.
    I don't have the LX570 but a 4Runner with the V8 that is rated at 7300lbs towing, where the LX is rated at 7000 lbs. On my 85 mile trek to the lake, it tows my 210 fine, which is a few hundred lbs lighter than the X30. I imagine with the larger 5.7 liter engine, that it would cover any shortcomings the smaller 4.7 in my 4Runner will have. If you were towing on a regular basis, say every weekend, then I would probably be inclined to go with something a little larger, but that would go against what your wife is wanting. Hard to beat a Toyota.

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    • #3
      If you get a LC, you might still be able to service at the Lexus dealer.

      We have the opposite. Our Lexus GX400h usually gets serviced and warranty repairs at the Toyota dealer. Just might check into it if you like the LC......
      - Jeff

      1994 205, LT1

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      • #4
        I own the LX450, LX470, and the LX570, so I might be a little biased. Tow an X14 on a single axel. Towed a 92 maristar 210 on a double in the past.

        All do it we'll, but the 570 does it with virtually no strain. I can't tell the boat is there, where I can feel it with the 470, and the 450 more. 570 seldom down shifts on the hills to Smith Mountain Lake, where the 470 would always do so, and the 450 would just really slow down.

        Inside the 570 is massive. My wife loves it.

        230,000 miles on the 450. 130,000 on the 470. 25,000 on the 570.

        Hope this helps!

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        • #5
          made the plunge and bought a 2011 LX570. nice car so far. i wish the cover over the tow hitch was more substantial. my thoughts are that during the summer when we tow a lot or use the bike rack, i'll just leave the bumper cover in the garage. it looks like one of the tabs has already been bent from likely little use. the 7 pin RV type electrical connector also seems pretty far off to the passenger side. hopefully, my trailers have enough slack in their connectors to reach. i have to tow the pontoon this week so that will be its biggest test. the X30 is a piece of cake compared to the pontoon.

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          • #6
            I had a Sequoia with 4.7 before and it pulled the X-30 just fine. Now have the Tundra with 5.7 and it is awesome.

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            • #7
              Refresh my memory, we had looked at a Lexus 570. Did they have a rear air suspension?

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              • #8
                no rear air. they have a 4 corner adjustable height suspension. i don't think it is actually levels the car like a typical rear air suspension.

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                • #9
                  They were the priciest of any large SUV new as well if I remember correctly, more than the QX56 even.

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                  • #10
                    true. thats why i bought used. we joke about how expensive boats are, cars have gotten a bit out of control as well.

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                    • #11
                      I would be interested to know how it does towing, but I imagine, you should not have any issues. It sounds like you tow about as much as I do. Did you end up getting it from Tom Williams?

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                      • #12
                        yes, tom williams. it'll be nice having a dealer so close. i'm only a few miles away from the grants mill exit so it'll be a lot more convenient than trekking to the nearest ford place. although, i'm hoping not to have to need much from them.

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                        • #13
                          Should tow it fine. Just watch steep ramps like the one at Misty Harbor on Smith. Especially when wet. That boat is going to REALLY want to drag that pretty Lexus in the water. Just remember, when the boat begins to float, the drag will cease. It really fun for scaring passengers though.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jafo9 View Post
                            no rear air. they have a 4 corner adjustable height suspension. i don't think it is actually levels the car like a typical rear air suspension.
                            It's kind of both. The AHC (Adjustable Height Control) suspension uses hydraulics to change the height of each corner independently coupled with highly pressurized air behind rubber damns that act like springs for cushioning, so some people will call it an "air suspension" out of simplicity. It's very different than air bags like you might add for payload purposes. I think the Infinity SUV has a similar active suspension - mixes hydraulics for lifting with air springs for cushioning.

                            I mention this not to be a d!ck and correct anyone just for the sake showing off, but it is one of the downsides to the Toyota Land Cruiser or Lexus LX equivalents that have the AHC as tow vehicles. AHC suspensions are designed for performance and comfort, not to take a heavy payload. The 200 series LC or the LX570 will have more than enough power to pull the boat, but depending on the tongue weight of your boat/trailer combo, its possible the rear suspension on your 570 will struggle to retain normal height and you will be towing with the rear of your car sagging. Theoretically you could damage something in your suspension if you hit a bump and bottom out. Potentially more worrisome is it could put a lot of strain on the AHC system which is extremely expensive to repair. (the globes or accumulators on each corner that act as the air springs are about $500 bucks each from Toyota, at least on the 100 series... have heard similar for the Infinity Q).

                            I know on the 100 series you can add air bags to take some of the pressure off the AHC hydraulic system. I haven't had to research the 200 series to see if anyone makes an airbag for those yet.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kgrove View Post
                              It's kind of both. The AHC (Adjustable Height Control) suspension uses hydraulics to change the height of each corner independently coupled with highly pressurized air behind rubber damns that act like springs for cushioning, so some people will call it an "air suspension" out of simplicity. It's very different than air bags like you might add for payload purposes. I think the Infinity SUV has a similar active suspension - mixes hydraulics for lifting with air springs for cushioning.



                              I mention this not to be a d!ck and correct anyone just for the sake showing off, but it is one of the downsides to the Toyota Land Cruiser or Lexus LX equivalents that have the AHC as tow vehicles. AHC suspensions are designed for performance and comfort, not to take a heavy payload. The 200 series LC or the LX570 will have more than enough power to pull the boat, but depending on the tongue weight of your boat/trailer combo, its possible the rear suspension on your 570 will struggle to retain normal height and you will be towing with the rear of your car sagging. Theoretically you could damage something in your suspension if you hit a bump and bottom out. Potentially more worrisome is it could put a lot of strain on the AHC system which is extremely expensive to repair. (the globes or accumulators on each corner that act as the air springs are about $500 bucks each from Toyota, at least on the 100 series... have heard similar for the Infinity Q).



                              I know on the 100 series you can add air bags to take some of the pressure off the AHC hydraulic system. I haven't had to research the 200 series to see if anyone makes an airbag for those yet.

                              My Denali has an on board compressor which fills air shocks. It's a thing of beauty. When I drop my X25 down onto the hitch, compressor kicks on, 10 seconds later she's riding level. My understanding is that the new 2015's will have this feature as well. As we tow several thousand kilometres per year through mountain passes this was important.

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