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    as i come out of slalom turn i seem to have good position for just a second and then get bent over at the waist as i approach wake. Video. Video . Any advice out there on how to keep angle/good position crossing the wake? Skiing 75' at 32-33 mph.
    Last edited by LaRue; 09-11-2011, 05:38 PM.

  • #2
    You are crossing the wake with a flat ski. Your turn is smooth but you flatten out as you approach the wake, This is causing you to bounce across the wakes and is throwing off your balance. You did not look too bent to me.
    The flattening of the ski across wakes is common on skiers who feel they have too much speed approaching the wake. Flattening out the ski slows you down, but right at the wake is not good because it can cause breaking at the waist and can result in endos over the top of the ski.

    So, to fix this I suggest you limit how far out from the wake you go. Stay close to the wake and turn to the wake, concentrating keeping the ski on edge through the wake. Arms straight, back straight and lean back, keep your knees bent. Once you get used to "slicing" through the wake, you can move your turns farther and farther out from the wake. Practice, practice, practice. It will not come overnight!

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    • #3
      How you approach the wake first depends on the finish of your turn. You should allow your ski to finish the turn before you grip the handle with your free hand and begin to pull. Then, make sure you have a good leveraged position with the handle low at the hips to prevent being pulled over-the-top. Finally, keep the ski on its edge while you pull hard across the wakes.

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      • #4
        wish i could help ya. I'm in the same boat, I posted a similar video looking for comments over in the waterski section.

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        • #5
          I am in the same wake..lol... What helps me get closer is to keep pressure on the back foot, I keep the rope armed but at waist level...and try...try... to keep squared to the ski.... but you can only get so much better skiing once a week....
          sigpic...A bad day water skiing still beats a good day at work...1995 Pro Star 205....

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          • #6
            1) finish the turn...you are stopping. The turn is finished when your hips ski back to the handle.

            2) Once you have finished the turn, LEAN. Hips at handle, arms relaxed and extended...in a stacked position - hips forward, butt in line with ankles, chest proud and over your hips.

            Like this:

            3) Pull through the wakes in this position, with your elbows tucked at your sides, continuing outbound, two hands on the handle until you feel the rope pull you in to the pre-turn.

            Then, do it all over again!

            And shorten the line to 15' off.
            Last edited by Jorski; 09-12-2011, 12:06 PM.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the tips. yea, that photo is what i see in my mind's eye but not in reality. i will try to finish turn. really like the tip that the turn is not done until hips are back to rope. hopefully i can get out a few more times up here in IA.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jorski View Post
                1) finish the turn...you are stopping. The turn is finished when your hips ski back to the handle.

                2) Once you have finished the turn, LEAN. Hips at handle, arms relaxed and extended...in a stacked position - hips forward, but in line with ankles, chest proud and over your hips.

                Like this:

                3) Pull through the wakes in this position, with your elbows tucked at your sides, continuing outbound, two hands on the handle until you feel the rope pull you in to the pre-turn.

                Then, do it all over again!

                And shorten the line to 15' off.
                Good position you got there Jorski!
                Great tips!
                Keep skiing!!!

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                • #9
                  Agree with jorski. Been having the same issue on my 1,3,5 and was forceing the turn and not skiing my hips to the handel
                  2004 Yellow X7

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                  • #10
                    elbows in really helps!!! hips up, elbows in..."there is no wake"...and don't ski to ball then turn...ski to a predetermined point in front of ball and ski around ball smoothly..its so much easier to ski this way...you are working way too hard the way you are skiing...relax your mind, flex your chest, roll your shoulders back, elbows in knees bent...relax your mind really help. There seesm to be so much to think of on a course, but when you dont think and get a rhythm its easier.
                    2 at 32' off 34 mph PB July 2006

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                    • #11
                      LaRue,

                      Try a couple of drills.

                      1) on one side of the wake do repeated pull outs...start just outside of the wakes, and then lean and go way out wide, then drift back to foam. You will learn to lean harder without have to worry about the wakes...do 10 or so on each side. Then ski normally.

                      2) Honestly, I know this sounds pointless, but it really helps...tie a short rope and handle to a tree. Work on your pulling position. Feel the difference between being stacked in a strong position and when you are out of balance and bent at the waist.

                      By the way..if you "pull" with your arms, you will come up off of edge. If you lean with your arms low and extended and hips up to the handle, you increase the angle of the ski (across the ski), getting more edge in the water.

                      You are breaking at the waist because you are pulling your arms in towards your chest (particularly on your weak side) before the turn has finished...try to ski your outside hip back to the handle. Don't pull/lean until this is completed. Then increase your lean progressively, with your hardest pull directly behind the boat. This is a little "old school', but I think you need to focus on leaning hard through the wakes to get the feeling of slicing through the wake instead of riding over it.

                      Good luck and let us know how it goes.
                      Last edited by Jorski; 09-12-2011, 01:30 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Good position you got there Jorski!
                        Yeah Andre... I figured that I better put up a picture of someone who actually knows what they are doing...LOL!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jorski View Post
                          LaRue,
                          You are breaking at the waist because you are puling you arms in towards your chest (particularly on your weak side) .
                          i should know this but what side is my weak side and why?

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                          • #14
                            You are a right foot forward skier...(it is the opposite for a left foot forward skier)

                            So when you turn to your right (skier's orientation), that is your strong side. In a slalom course you do better around balls 2,4 & 6.

                            When you turn to your left that is your weak side. In a slalom course you do worse around balls 1,3 & 5.


                            This has nothing to do with you per se...it's true for everybody. Generally, it is believed that it is caused your body being in a naturally open position on one's good side.

                            If you look closely at the video that you posted, you will notice that your turn is more complete on your good side, and you carry a better position through the wakes following your on-side turn. This also gives you better cross course speed.
                            Last edited by Jorski; 09-12-2011, 01:31 PM.

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                            • #15
                              such a difference on and off side can be corrected with proper hand grip...you holding the handle correctly? Sorry bout mentioning the course...same tips apply but got you confused with another guy looking for cross the wake issues.

                              spend a few days with a pro...good excuse to go to orlando and hang out with jodi fisher or someone like that...its well worth it!

                              I skied with jodi fisher in the spring not being able to run the course and by mid summer I was skiing into 32 off.
                              2 at 32' off 34 mph PB July 2006

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