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    I put my 3 hours old 197 into the water today drove it the length of lake about Halve a mile
    then drove back with a skier got to end started to turn then the temp light came on I noticed high temp switched off motor straight away .i ph dealer and it's going in first thing Monday.
    what I want to know is does anyone start there boat before they put in water. I don't run the motor I just turn key soon as it turns over I switch it off.only because the first time I put my x14 in the water the battery was flat. after that I did it every time with the 14 had no probs.
    the dealer said I might of burnt out one of the pick up blades. and I not suppose to do it.
    but I did it with jet ski and the X14. the guy that runs the lakes said last year it happen to a brand new Malibu so he said it not uncommon
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    We never start the engines or turn the motors over out of the water. I will back the trailer up enough to get the pick-ups wet and then fire them up, then power off the trailer. If you have a bad battery, no worries, your still on the trailer and not flotaing anywhere.

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    • #3
      Something certainly sounds wrong with the water intake but I wouldn't be quick to assume its because of turning your engine over for a couple seconds out of the water. Did you ever drive through weeds or a shallow area so that you could have sucked up some gunk?

      If my boat has been sitting for a couple weeks or more, I always turn the engine over (much to my neighbor's chagrin) for literally 1 second to make sure the batteries are good. So don't feel bad about doing that and i hardly think that a second of spinning dry can damage the impellor. In terms of boating, few things are worse than getting to the dock and having dead batteries. good luck
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      • #4
        If you fired up your boat without hooking it to any water source, especially after having it sit for any extended period of time, you probably didn't break just 1 vane from your impeller, but you probably broke every one of them off instead. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, under any circumstance start your boat without it being in the water or hooked up to a hose. The impeller vanes are rubber, rubbing against a metal housing. They burn up and break off very quickly when they start spinning while they're dry, and they start spinning as soon as the starter starts trying to turn the motor over. If you started it for the first time after sitting all winter, the rubber impeller had also probably began to seat to the metal housing, making it even harder to spin and break loose on the first start while dry. Impellers need to be lubricated, and water is their lubricant. It's like having a prostate examination with no lube... you wouldn't like that would ya?

        The good news is, you could fix this yourself for the cost of an impeller at www.skidim.com instead of paying for what will probably end up being a 500+ dollar dealer visit. If you decide to do it yourself, be sure to go through all the hoses after the impeller housing up all the way to your thermostat, because that's more than likely where all of the vanes you broke off are piled up at.
        Last edited by mzimme; 11-09-2012, 10:41 AM.
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        • #5
          hi thanks for the replies so far. just to let you know I am in oz so we are starting our summer .and the boats brand new I took it out 2weeks ago and then again today .so it hasn't been sitting .
          we checked underneath and there was no weeds etc near the intake .
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          • #6
            Check for stuff at the trans cooler. Lots of small stuff can clog the small openings in there and reduce the amount of water the engine will get.

            Oh and don't start dry or get P-exam without lube!!
            You haven't lived until you grab a wild hog by the legs when a dog is holding him by the ear!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mybobtail View Post
              hi thanks for the replies so far. just to let you know I am in oz so we are starting our summer .and the boats brand new I took it out 2weeks ago and then again today .so it hasn't been sitting .
              we checked underneath and there was no weeds etc near the intake .
              Take a look at your impellar and see what kind of condition it's in.
              - Jeff

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              • #8
                Starting

                My dealer started a new boat in the showroom and man did it sound sweet! I personally never start it out of the water. I do exactly what someone else recommends I leave it on the trailer and back it off in reverse. I don't like the push off the trailer due to anything can happen and if it's still on the trailer you really don't have any big problems. (leave the plug out and etc..)

                I'm going to bet it's not the impellar, I think it's something else.

                Let us know what you find.

                JG

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                • #9
                  Summer

                  And wow, I sure wish it was summer here!

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                  • #10
                    Simple answer is it sucked up some weeds and the transmission oil cooler is clogged. Easy fix, and something a person should do as preventive maintenance a couple times a season.

                    And yes, you can start a boat out of water and not see any immediate issues, but this will catch up with you with shortened impeller life and potentially an overheated boat on the water.
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                    • #11
                      You won't wreck a good impeller by cranking the engine or even starting it up briefly with no water to the engine.
                      My usual routine if I have to start it out of the water (at home), since I just put a garden hose in the r/w line, is to start the boat with the hose ready to go, then go turn on the hose. It runs for 10-15sec dry, no problem.
                      I had an unfortunate incident with a defective Perko flush pro first time out a couple years ago. Boat idled for proabably a couple minutes before I realized what was going on. The engine compartment got very hot, light smoke from somewhere was the clue, but it actually did not ruin anything. Exhaust hoses were fine, impeller fine. Not that I'm reccomending to do that, but evidence that starting it dry for a few seconds won't hurt anything.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Thrall View Post
                        You won't wreck a good impeller by cranking the engine or even starting it up briefly with no water to the engine.
                        My usual routine if I have to start it out of the water (at home), since I just put a garden hose in the r/w line, is to start the boat with the hose ready to go, then go turn on the hose. It runs for 10-15sec dry, no problem.
                        I had an unfortunate incident with a defective Perko flush pro first time out a couple years ago. Boat idled for proabably a couple minutes before I realized what was going on. The engine compartment got very hot, light smoke from somewhere was the clue, but it actually did not ruin anything. Exhaust hoses were fine, impeller fine. Not that I'm reccomending to do that, but evidence that starting it dry for a few seconds won't hurt anything.
                        No offense, but just because things came out ok for you at one time does not mean the correct advice given should be that starting dry is fine. Starting dry is what ruins impellers prematurely, there's really no disputing that. Impellers can go bye bye in as little as a few seconds, it's just not worth a dry start.
                        -Mike

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mzimme View Post
                          No offense, but just because things came out ok for you at one time does not mean the correct advice given should be that starting dry is fine. Starting dry is what ruins impellers prematurely, there's really no disputing that. Impellers can go bye bye in as little as a few seconds, it's just not worth a dry start.
                          No, he's right... at least mostly. Unless the RWP was drained fully (this will not happen over time- only if it was drained or blown out), a "dry start" isnt actually dry- there is some residual water left in it. A quick start without water is NOT going to shred an impeller. Im talking 1-2 seconds... not 30+. I dont trailer regularly, so Im not subjecting the impeller to this practice on a regular basis... but on all the boats I own or work on, I do a quick dry start before heading to the ramp... sure beats monkeying around once you get there. I get 5+ years out of my impellers.

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                          • #14
                            I blame the dealer for me having to change the impeller at less then 10 hours on a new X25. I yelled at them when they dry fired it, they laughed at me. I made them give me a new impeller to put in my glove box. I should have made them change it since I overheated and had to change it on my next use.

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                            • #15
                              Even though there is water in the pump housing, I err on the side of not starting the boat out of the water unless it is hooked up to a water source. If you are worried about your battery's state, just turn on the blower. If it sounds weak, you may want to check the battery. If it fires up loud as ever, you're probably good to go. You should be running the blower anyway, right?

                              Also, if you have a fair amount of down time between uses, a battery cut off switch is a good investment. My boats have always managed to have one sort of phantom draw or another that will drain the battery over time. The switch is cheaper and easier for me than chasing the source of the draw.

                              Also, we have a battery powered jump starter that we keep charged up and take on the boat with us. It isn't huge and is good insurance.
                              Last edited by east tx skier; 11-09-2012, 12:23 PM.
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