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    Since we now have a great core of TT members with the X22 in the quiver, thought it was about time to get this started and gather all best of tips. Only requirement for this X22 thread is to post up pics and input on this fine machine.

    Two days ago, at 80 hours on our boat, we finally had the pleasure of connecting with Maniacmikes and having him aboard. MM has got to be one of the most knowledgeable MC X Boat members on TT, he also is a ripping wake surfer and energizes everyone else aboard. Separate thread forthcoming on that outing.

    Within 5 minutes, MM had our boat absolutely dialed. It was as if we had a new boat as I was previously running stock surf steep both sides. This was with 350 lbs lead (all rear lockers and under convertible seat for light crew) and roughly 400 lbs crew plus surfer. MM Dialed settings follow:

    Dialed Goofy: 100% fill all tanks including switchback, 35% left surf tab, zero center and right tab, 11.4 MPH.

    Dialed Regular: 100% fill all tanks including switchback, 25% right surf tab, zero center and right tab, 11.6 MPH.

    Our dealer, Alan S at MC CO had also recommended in a Fall 2019 outing that the new Xboats needed far less surf tab than our 2015 Gen2 boats, both of which we ran at 100% opposite surf tab. Stock X22 surf steep tabs were 50% opposite surf tab for goofy and 40% opposite surf tab for regular.

    While this may work best for larger crews and allow less tweaking of crew, MM’s secret sauce furthered Alan S’s commentary. The less surf tab the better so as not to lift the boat you have just slammed out of the water.







    Last edited by moosehead; 08-06-2020, 11:54 PM.

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    It's funny you mention these new boats needing less tab. I came to that same conclusion about a week ago. My daughter was complaining that there was no push on the regular side, and after surfing our friends' MB Tomcat, I was less than thrilled with our goofy side. Last weekend I started backing the tabs down to the 20-25% range regular side, and 30-35% on the goofy side. The wake is immediately improved. Also running 100% on all tanks, but no lead - yet. I've got a shallow entry to our lagoon where our lift is, and already damaged one prop. I'll have to get pics of our wake this weekend, but for now, here's our ride, now at 72 hours:
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    Jerry

    2020 X22
    2018 XT22
    2014 Aqua Patio
    2003 Malibu Response LXi
    2001 Malibu Sunsetter
    1978 Ski Supreme

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    • #3
      Awesome post Moose!! I'll have to get some pics of mine up soon. I currently have 60 hours. So I have 500 lbs of lead total to distribute. Where would you/he recommend I put the other 150? Right now I have 400 lbs in the rear lockers and 100 in the bow anchor storage.

      Only decent pic I have atm is a friend just learning.
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      • #4
        x22

        Loving our X22 so far !
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        • #5
          Awesome Moose! Thanks for starting the thread. I'll have to take more on water and wave pics and post.

          X22 Prop Thread here: https://teamtalk.mastercraft.com/sho...d.php?t=105886
          2020 X22
          2019 XT22
          2017 XT20

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          • #6
            Thanks for the updated settings Moose! Gave them a try today with my neighbor who's used to the steeper, lippier wave of his G21 vs. the longer, shallower pushier wave of the X22.

            We both agreed the 'dialed' wave above was no doubt steeper and rampier, but it did seem to lose a lot of it's push and it didn't feel as long as the stock wave. However, both of us hated how the nose seems to ride a lot higher (I could easily look over the bow with stock settings while on the bolster but can't with these settings). We messed around a bit and left the front and switchback tanks at 100%, drained the rear tanks down to 75%, and left right tab at 35% while slowing down the speed to 11. The wave ended up maintaining it's steepness but did lose some of the push and length, but dropped the nose quite a bit. I didn't have time to do more fiddling today but will do so this week. Might even try some lead in the nose to see if that helps?

            **Edit: I will say I've been more than happy and impressed with the stock settings, but some of the people I ride with want that steeper/rampier wave so have been wanting to try other settings.

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            • #7
              Official X22 Thread

              ^10M, roger that on nose high surfing, especially compared to the G’s. I’ve willingly accepted that for the MC wave quality.

              Both MM and I are taller, heavier riders (respectively) and the push way back is pretty remarkable. You have to pump to recover from way back but that is true for any craft. Also note MM’s and other TT members surf settings are higher speeds to create length, but after they have slammed the rear to get size/steepness/push. Slowing to 11MPH should get a steeper wave with push, but it’ll be shorter.

              I also early on tried to engage the bow with lead and crew as the new hulls have that bulge from amidships to the front. Instinct was to plow that down deeper, but it just wasn’t the same as first getting rear ballast prioritized.

              What crew/lead are you running? We are most often 2 aboard plus surfer and 2 of those aboard together total 220 lbs. Once we add another 200lb crew member the wave gets serious on the X22. Just moving 100 lbs of lead from under convertible rear seat to under sacks changes the wave all else equal, this as most boats are sensitive to setup. Stock settings are perhaps is less sensitive.

              Noob wireless rider way out back.

              Last edited by moosehead; 08-09-2020, 02:51 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by moosehead View Post
                ^10M, roger that on nose high surfing, especially compared to the G’s. I’ve willingly accepted that for the MC wave quality.

                Both MM and I are taller, heavier riders (respectively) and the push way back is pretty remarkable. You have to pump to recover from way back but that is true for any craft. Also note MM’s and other TT members surf settings are higher speeds to create length, but after they have slammed the rear to get size/steepness/push. Slowing to 11MPH should get a steeper wave with push, but it’ll be shorter.

                I also early on tried to engage the bow with lead and crew as the new hulls have that bulge from amidships to the front. Instinct was to plow that down deeper, but it just wasn’t the same as first getting rear ballast prioritized.

                What crew/lead are you running? We are most often 2 aboard plus surfer and 2 of those aboard together total 220 lbs. Once we add another 200lb crew member the wave gets serious on the X22. Just moving 100 lbs of lead from under convertible rear seat to under sacks changes the wave all else equal, this as most boats are sensitive to setup. Stock settings are perhaps is less sensitive.

                Noob wireless rider way out back.
                Super interesting insights. We came from an X25 and I was happier with the X22 keeping the nose lower with full stock settings, so was a little dismayed these new settings have it riding like an MB or Supra.

                I had no complaints over the stock settings, but wanted to try to tweak to replicate the steeper/rampier wave for my neighbor since we switch off boats fairly often. The higher speed/ballast of the specs you posted got us that, but I actually thought the length decreased further out back with the steeper wave/higher speeds which is counter to what you're saying. Stock, I was able to get 20-25' off the back without too much trouble, modified I start to wash out at the 20' mark.

                50% of the time it's one driver (~180#) and one rider. 45% of the time it's one driver and one adult passenger (total weight 320# or so). The last 5% we have 6-10 on board and the wave is just ridiculous. I run no lead but do have 150# sitting in the garage to be put in.

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                • #9
                  Thank you moosehead. Built a custom profile with your specs and it produces a great/different wake. Its fun to play around on a faster/firmer wake like this! Greatly appreciated and please keep the info coming!

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                  • #10
                    Moose those settings in your 1st post are mind blowing. The wave was actually too big for my wife. We did that setup with a few hundred pound of lead to move around and 4 adults in the boat. The regular wave was nearly the same as stock settings, 800 lbs of lead,, and 15 people in the boat.

                    Pic of boat coming soon.

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                    • #11
                      Our 2020 X22 has 130 hours on it. The only profiles we ever use for surfing are the stock “steep left” and “steep right”. I’m going to try what the OP suggests.

                      At about the 100 hour mark we bought 600 lbs of lead. We put 150 lbs under the port bag, 150 under the starboard bag. 50 under the seats on each side right about where the tower is. The last 200 lbs gets moved between the bow locker (when we want to motor over to the fuel dock) or on the floor as far aft as possible when surfing. I gotta say, the lead was definitely worth it.

                      This is our first surf boat so we don’t have any other perspective. We like to switch from side to side. (I recently got a ride on a Malibu that had a wrist remote that allowed the surfer to swap the wave. The on the X22 it requires some pretty good communication between the driver and the surfer. Maybe MC will offer that in the future.)

                      I’m curious about the above posts that say fill the switchback tank to 100%. I assumed that the reason that is not recommenced is so that it will quickly move the wave from one side to another. For those of you filling the switchback to 100% are you also switching the wave from side to side while surfing?

                      TJ

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                      • #12
                        Oh yeah, I forgot. OP said pics are required.

                        My boat didn’t come with the optional adjustable seat back on the starboard bench, so I made one. It took a little tweaking to get it to be just the way we wanted it, but now it’s a lot more adjustable (and comfortable) than the optional backrest. There is a small downside. Access to the cooler now takes a little effort.

                        In order to lift the starboard bench to get into the cooler you must rotate the backrest out of the way. To do it you first loosen the knobs indicated by the red arrows then slide the cushion down as shown by the light blue arrow. (The other option is to move the helm seat forward to get it out of the way for the next step.)

                        Then you must loosen the knobs to which the yellow arrows point, and then the cushion will flop down per the green arrow.

                        The only photo I have of it in the down position was taken before construction was complete:

                        TJ
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                        • #13
                          ^Nice work Taj! May have to follow your lead on the starboard seat back conversion.

                          Just stowed her for hibernation after a tremendous 96 hours in her first season.

                          Will dream about this wave all winter.





                          Xpost MM’s X22 Surf Session:

                          https://vimeo.com/446007610


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                          • #14
                            You're calling it a season early huh Moose?
                            2012 MasterCraft X15 5.7L
                            2021 Lone Star Master Bash - June 11-13 - Lake Travis, TX
                            Instagram: @lonestarmasterbash

                            Originally posted by uplandbird
                            Floating computer systems designed to come to the brink of intentionally sinking are probably going to have some issues.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by moosehead View Post
                              ^Nice work Taj! May have to follow your lead on the starboard seat back conversion.

                              Just stowed her for hibernation after a tremendous 96 hours in her first season.

                              Will dream about this wave all winter.





                              Xpost MM’s X22 Surf Session:

                              https://vimeo.com/446007610


                              Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

                              THAT was awesome!


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