Surf/Wake Foil recommendation

[chrislandy]

Well, in the mean time we did hundreds off starts with no to very little succes.
So, I got tired off this and ordered an other foil with 55 cm mast.
The wing and mast are from Gong, pretty cheap and I choose the beginner surf setup, which contains the ± 1550 cm² wing which is 80 cm wide.

Yesterday we could try this setup for the first time and after three pulls I was able to foil. No pro, ofcourse, but I was able to make a lot off metres behind the boat. :-)

Now time to control foil height better and see if I can get foiling without a rope.

Probably, for everybody different, but for me, my first setup, with the 1250 wing and 90 cm mast was not the best choice to begin with.

Well done GONG are seriously good value. I'm hopefully ordering a Sirus XXXL or XXL over the summer

[Gert]

Well, in the mean time we did hundreds off starts with no to very little succes.
So, I got tired off this and ordered an other foil with 55 cm mast.
The wing and mast are from Gong, pretty cheap and I choose the beginner surf setup, which contains the ± 1550 cm² wing which is 80 cm wide.

Yesterday we could try this setup for the first time and after three pulls I was able to foil. No pro, ofcourse, but I was able to make a lot off metres behind the boat. :-)

Now time to control foil height better and see if I can get foiling without a rope.

Probably, for everybody different, but for me, my first setup, with the 1250 wing and 90 cm mast was not the best choice to begin with.

[wallos]

It is pretty hard for an old mono skiër, but once I will succed :-)

In the mean time the foil is not nice to me, damaged my arm, leg and feet multiple times, but does not really hurt. With all this bad spots on my body the wife is really kind to me

You should not be getting hit by foil. When you lose your balance lean into it (don't try to counter it) , keep feet on the board and ride it into the water. Also, Don't kick board away from you. That will spin foil towards you.

[MichProstar]

Looks like fun - but why not control your own destiny I bought one of these last year and LOVE it. What's another $15K when you already spent huge on an MC. I'm telling you - try it and you will buy one. No affiliation other than a satisfied customer. www.fliteboard.com

[chrislandy]

That's why we like using foot straps or old wakeboard bindings, keeps the foil away from you in a fall (which you will do a lot when learning)

[Gert]

Well, got myself an used combo: RL foil, type Orca and Slingshot Dwarfboard about 140 cm with 90cm mast for 500 euro.

https://rlboards.com/product/foil-orca/

At this time we went three times on the water practicing and having fun. Really lots of fun, foiling is not easy and everybody who does it tells me to keep practicing and don't give up. So, that is what we are doing.
It is pretty hard for an old mono skiër, but once I will succed :-)

In the mean time the foil is not nice to me, damaged my arm, leg and feet multiple times, but does not really hurt. With all this bad spots on my body the wife is really kind to me :-)

https://www.gtfour.nl/plaatjes/prostar/foil/arm%20foil1.jpg

https://www.gtfour.nl/plaatjes/prostar/foil/arm%20foil2.jpg

https://www.gtfour.nl/plaatjes/prostar/foil/voet%20foil.jpg

Keep in mind: I do wear an full surf suit from 5mm, good impactvest, socks (cold water over here) and helmet :-)

[wallos]

Jackpine Here are some downwinder runs with a boat tow in you asked for. Tow in allows you to use small board.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CkCMxaIu1PP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ckg3CJctyVl/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[wallos]

More wakefoiling stoke. Just listened to Noah Flegel on the progression project podcast. Interesting to hear him talk about applying his pro wakeboarding and wakesurf skills to progress the possibilities foiling. Also surprising to hear that Kai Lenny credits him as an inspiration for foiling.

I like how he can do strapless airs, but here he is strapped in riding Armstrong CFv2 1200.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqOnVKMvEvj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[chrislandy]

Gert you're correct on the range you are looking at. Couple suggestions:

Wakesurf volume (20L+/-) board is plenty unless you want to start from standing position. Too much volume and it is hard to hold board in water.

less is more (providing the complete board and foil still floats!), I use a cut down wakeboard and it's perfect.

[wallos]

Gert you're correct on the range you are looking at. Couple suggestions:

Get a low aspect front wing. This will allow you to foil at a lower speed and will be more stable starting out. A higher aspect will glide better and let you pump away from the wake but are very challenging getting used to balancing pitch. Pick size based on user weight.
Rear wing can add pitch stability, increase glide and pump, or reduce drag for more speed depending on size and design. You want it to be designed for use with the front wing. Start with one that will add stability and upgrade later as they are fairly cheap.
60 to 75 cm mast is actually easier to use than the smaller ones everyone starts with. Everyone breaches when they are learning so the shorter ones are less scary when the board takes a dive. Longer are easier to avoid breaching.
Wakesurf volume (20L+/-) board is plenty unless you want to start from standing position. Too much volume and it is hard to hold board in water.

[Gert]

It would be nice to foil without rope and surf behind our Prostar 190.

So at the moment I am in the process off buying an foil to start learning this. If I read correct it is wise to start with an front wing: dimensions about 1.200 cm² to ±1.800 cm² and about 80 to 100 cm wide. Correct?
Rear wing important?
Mast about 60 to 75 cm?

Board 123 cm to ± 150 cm long.
Floating capacaties a bit more than my own weight (± 75 kg)?

Good yes/no? Tips anyone.

[jackpine]

Just amazing!

His “Never Give Up” post is inspiring:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEeYDerpSRb/

[wallos]

noahflegel ripping wakefoiling.


https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpOGSR_Lm8-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[wallos]

I wouldn't bother to do the conversion on the mast. Definately not needed on smaller mast.

[wallos]

The HS1250 was very popular foil for wingfoiling but would be for a more advanced or at least intermediate. Larger CFv2 would be better for learning. With wakefoiling the boat has plenty of power to get you up foiling, which is why everyone recommends small front wings (foils). Winging needs low end lift to get up on foil. Experienced guys that go out in 20-30+ knots winds can use small hi aspect. Most wingers use longer masts (85+).

Windy conditions can be really fun to ride chop and wind swell. Use the boat to tow into waves and try to connect them to keep going. Check out foil downwinding. (I had a link but not working and it won't let me delete.)