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  • BriEOD
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    Originally posted by TX.X-30 fan View Post
    Nice Bruce. More alt. is a good thing with these over-the-top stereo systems.
    Don't forget to increase the charging lead as well.

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  • brucemac
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    adding a combiner along with that switch isn't all that much more difficult and can used to achieve exactly what you're after with one great benefit: you don't have to mess with the switch or remember to change positions. get in your boat, turn it to "1" and enjoy your day. come home turn it to off, charge your batteries, etc. just saying it's not much more money and well worth it imo.

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  • 5280Hawk
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    The big reason Im Adding a Battery and the switch is peace of mind on the water. I dont have a BIG stereo - Im running basically two 6" speakers in the bow, and two in the aft and one sub, all from a single amp. I plan on adding two 6.5" speakers on the tower, and another amp. I also want to add a Light bar, possibly some underwater LED's.

    I plan to use the switch to go to the second battery to play music, run lights ect. while floating around on the lake while the boat is off, saving the primary battery to ensure i have starting power when its time to go home. The perko was the best deal, and the easiest to wire up.

    Have any of you guys used a bus bar set-up to manage the wiring when you have alot of "add-ons"?

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  • thatsmrmastercraft
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    Originally posted by brucemac View Post
    i'll take a shot at this. it's usually not an issue with the alternator unless you are running a larger stereo system with multiple batteries. if the stereo bank of batteries is constantly being drained down to low levels and the combiner combines both banks because the starting battery is full, then the alternator is constantly overworked with the engine on. stock alternators are not capable or designed to recharge multiple heavily drained batteries while maintaining electronics, guages, ballast and bilge pumps, etc. that's why if you're serious about your tunes and your stereo, you need to protect your investment by having a recharging routine off the water with a battery charger. most people don't consider upgrading their boat's charging system unless they're working with fairly large stereo system.

    if you're going to go to the trouble of installing a second battery and a manual switch, i'd definitely consider adding a combiner/seperator. it will give you peace of mind, elminate the need to have to mess with the switch to charge and you'll still have the switch to turn everything "off" and manual combine in an emergency start situation.

    someone else will probably come along and put in their two cents, but that's how i understand it.
    Very well said.

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  • TX.X-30 fan
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    Nice Bruce. More alt. is a good thing with these over-the-top stereo systems.

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  • brucemac
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    i'll take a shot at this. it's usually not an issue with the alternator unless you are running a larger stereo system with multiple batteries. if the stereo bank of batteries is constantly being drained down to low levels and the combiner combines both banks because the starting battery is full, then the alternator is constantly overworked with the engine on. stock alternators are not capable or designed to recharge multiple heavily drained batteries while maintaining electronics, guages, ballast and bilge pumps, etc. that's why if you're serious about your tunes and your stereo, you need to protect your investment by having a recharging routine off the water with a battery charger. most people don't consider upgrading their boat's charging system unless they're working with fairly large stereo system.

    if you're going to go to the trouble of installing a second battery and a manual switch, i'd definitely consider adding a combiner/seperator. it will give you peace of mind, elminate the need to have to mess with the switch to charge and you'll still have the switch to turn everything "off" and manual combine in an emergency start situation.

    someone else will probably come along and put in their two cents, but that's how i understand it.

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  • 5280Hawk
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    Wow, there is alot to take in, in here. I have a few comments, as i am about to install another battery.

    I am doing a Perko switch the "1/2/both/off" type. Someone earlier in the thread said they fried their voltage regulator in their alternator by trying to start their boat with the switch set to "off" how is that possible? In the "off" position BOTH batteries should completely isolated from the Boat, so you'd have no power,...right?

    I understand you can do damage by switching the Perko to "off" if the boat is running, but not the other way.

    Also with the switch you are isolating the Batteries from each other, but (at least the way im doing it) the rest of the boat's systems are going to be connected by the comm. post on the Perko. So I will be able to start the boat, run the stereo, lights, pumps, etc. with either battery, or both at the same time (not practical, or likely).

    If you are on the "both" position, the Batteries are connected in parallel, and that will cause them to "equalize" the weaker drawing charge from the stronger which can be damaging if one is way down and pulls very rapidly, but what don't get is .....How does that efffect the Alternator as someone mentioned earlier??? Thanks guys this is a great thread.

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  • brucemac
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    there are plenty of ignition safe combiner seperator options out there. just be sure to make sure it is and is rated for your alternator and you're golden.

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  • JJMorris3
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    Thanks for the reply. I might just do that. I am also a bit nervous about adding a relay in the compartment behind the back seat where the gas tank is. If that thing arcs while there are fumes built up in that compartment that would not be good!

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  • rspiecha
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    Having owned a 1994 Prostar 205, there no convenient place to put a second battery. I would get one of those portable jump battery pack and keep it under the seat for situations where a second battery would come in handy. With your stereo configuration, it would take a very long time to drain the battery, unless you have a weak battery to start off with.

    Rob

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  • JJMorris3
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    Planning for dual battery - but have question

    I have a 1994 Prostar 205. I installed a sony marine receiver (just a simple head, no amp, etc) and powered it from the harness that was labeled behind the dash. It powers when the key is in acc or ignition is on. I hooked up the memory thru the acc1 switch so I could control it - leaving it on during outings so I can set presets at the beginning of the day and they stay, but I can turn it off and know that I have zero drain.
    I would like to add a dual battery with the relay setup because it seems like great piece of mind. In reading the instructions, I see that they say to move accessories to the second battery. Well, I went to the battery and expected to see additional wires for the accessories. But there is just one big cable on each battery terminal. There is an accessory wire dangling with a fuse on it that is not attached to the battery. it runs up the drivers side and under the dash. It is cut and capped there.
    Do I need a dual battery setup for such a small radio? Should I wire just the radio to the second battery using the unused wires rather than the dash/harness? And leave all other things as they are? Then the second battery will be for JUST my radio?
    I was hoping I could feed all accessories somehow by using the harness. I would need to know where the harness gets its power for the accessories and hook the secondary battery up there. Then I would have the dual battery protection when I used lights too while floating at night with the motor off.
    Last edited by JJMorris3; 02-24-2010, 11:39 PM.

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  • JimN
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    Originally posted by scramison View Post
    Jim if I run an isolator or relay instead of the perko switch will I be able to run the cranking and deep cell? Or should I try to just get another deep cell or go all cranking? The deep cell I have is huge and gives me 710 CCA with 150 mins at 25 amps that is why the cranking is more of a back up.
    If you get to the point where the big deep cycle is low (never kill it completely), just switch over to the cranking battery and run it back home. When you do this, use a charger on the deep cycle.

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  • scramison
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    Jim if I run an isolator or relay instead of the perko switch will I be able to run the cranking and deep cell? Or should I try to just get another deep cell or go all cranking? The deep cell I have is huge and gives me 710 CCA with 150 mins at 25 amps that is why the cranking is more of a back up.

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  • JimN
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    Originally posted by scramison View Post
    I have a question. What happens if you occasionally charge a starting and deep cell battery in parrellel? I have a starting and deep cell setup right now and have been keeping the perko switch on the deep cell. Only switch to the cranking if the deep cell is dead. I know some people have said not to do it but I want to understand why and the effects if anyone knows.
    You mean charging it using the alternator? It beats the crap out of the alternator and won't charge them as well as they need because unless the alternator can support a lot of current and they're isolated, one will always draw more than the other.

    Cranking batteries exist for a reason- they deliver high current quickly and recover quickly. A deep cycle is usually made to deliver current over a longer time period and recover after being discharged deeper than a cranking battery. If you really want more info about your specific batteries, contact the manufacturer and tell them what the item number is.
    Last edited by JimN; 07-29-2009, 08:22 PM.

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  • scramison
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    I have a question. What happens if you occasionally charge a starting and deep cell battery in parrellel? I have a starting and deep cell setup right now and have been keeping the perko switch on the deep cell. Only switch to the cranking if the deep cell is dead. I know some people have said not to do it but I want to understand why and the effects if anyone knows.

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