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  • deminimis
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    Originally posted by wheeler View Post
    Not sure if it matters, but did you notice that the maximum working pressure for that line is 17psi???

    These pumps that we have been posting about put out in excess of 60psi.
    Yea, its just to be used as a possible spacer to fit the 5/16 hose to the 1/4 barb. It would ne clamped, so not subject to the fuel pressure as if it was being used as fuel line.

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  • wheeler
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    Originally posted by deminimis View Post
    Man, I really don't know. The only reason I'm familiar with the Airtex E2044 is because of the hard work done by others before me. All I did was check automotive application for that pump (and some cross apps) and some others mentioned (the E2044 is used on Ford V-8s whereas the E2065 is used on 4-bangers). Your pump is listed for a 1994 Ford Escort with a 1.8 engine. It crosses to the Airtex E2065, which several have used on here without issue, but again, its a pump used for little engines, not V-8s. Whether that will prove to be an issue down the road, er waterway, is anyone's guess. For my piece of mind, I want a pump designed for V-8s as that's what we're running in our crafts.
    When you cross reference the carter you get the ac delco ep356, when you cross reference the ac delco ep356 you get a airtex 2064 - 2065.

    i have run the ac-delco for almost a year, boat broke down, i thought it was the pump again only to find out it was a relay switch, so now I am running the airtex 2065, have not had any troubles with either one......i now keep the ac delco in the glove box

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  • wheeler
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    Originally posted by deminimis View Post
    Regarding aftermarket submersible hose (30R10), as we all have discovered, 5/16" is what's readily available. The problem is the 1/4 barb at the regulator. I believe this could be handled in a couple of ways. One might try 1/4" Viton heat shrink tube over the barb (yea, not only a fire danger, but risk of melting your plastic barb if you are not careful) followed by as many sucessive layers of 5/16" Viton shrink tube until you end up with a Viton covered barb measuring 5/16" OD. Or, perhaps, just buy 1/4" ID x 5/16" OD Viton hose. Slip a piece of that over the barb then install the 5/16" 30R10 over that (appropriately clamped with a fuel injection clamp). Unfortunately the only hose meeting that spec that I've found in a short search comes in 25' lengths for $70+. Here's some for your viewing: http://www.amazon.com/Viton-tubing-I...1726906&sr=8-6

    Viton has excellent ratings when it comes to chemical and fuel resistance. Just a thought.

    I suspect someone, somewhere, sells it by the foot, but no time to search right now.

    Dan, regular fuel line will fail. Clamping 5/16" line on a 1/4" barb may leak.
    Not sure if it matters, but did you notice that the maximum working pressure for that line is 17psi???

    These pumps that we have been posting about put out in excess of 60psi.

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  • Dan2060
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    great point deminimis. I wish we could get the ratings online for the OEM part. I don't know why they are so tight lipped about this info other than the all mighty dollar.

    As I was running this particular pump, I did not notice any hesitation when getting out of the hole or at top speed. The engine was smooth and powerful, therefore I suspect it is getting adequate fuel. My thought process could be wrong...

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  • deminimis
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    Man, I really don't know. The only reason I'm familiar with the Airtex E2044 is because of the hard work done by others before me. All I did was check automotive application for that pump (and some cross apps) and some others mentioned (the E2044 is used on Ford V-8s whereas the E2065 is used on 4-bangers). Your pump is listed for a 1994 Ford Escort with a 1.8 engine. It crosses to the Airtex E2065, which several have used on here without issue, but again, its a pump used for little engines, not V-8s. Whether that will prove to be an issue down the road, er waterway, is anyone's guess. For my piece of mind, I want a pump designed for V-8s as that's what we're running in our crafts.

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  • Dan2060
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    that's what I'll do. I called Napa and can get it in a day. I would like to go boating tomorrow (summer is almost over!). I guess I'll try my luck with the current regular line setup that has been in the boat for a week.

    Demnismis: What do you think about the pump I'm using? Napa p74111 for use in Ford and Chrysler applications. 18gph and 65psi

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  • deminimis
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    Originally posted by Dan2060 View Post
    thks deminimis.
    Sounds like a new unit.
    I wouldn't say that. Do you still have the kinked hose? What if you cut off the section that went over the barb, reinstalled the section, and then installed the proper submersible hose over it (with a good FI clamp)? The old piece might make a good sleeve/adapter for the 5/16" hose. Napa, etc. can usually get the proper 30R10 hose in a day ($20/ft).

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  • Dan2060
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    thks deminimis.
    Sounds like a new unit.

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  • deminimis
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    Regarding aftermarket submersible hose (30R10), as we all have discovered, 5/16" is what's readily available. The problem is the 1/4 barb at the regulator. I believe this could be handled in a couple of ways. One might try 1/4" Viton heat shrink tube over the barb (yea, not only a fire danger, but risk of melting your plastic barb if you are not careful) followed by as many sucessive layers of 5/16" Viton shrink tube until you end up with a Viton covered barb measuring 5/16" OD. Or, perhaps, just buy 1/4" ID x 5/16" OD Viton hose. Slip a piece of that over the barb then install the 5/16" 30R10 over that (appropriately clamped with a fuel injection clamp). Unfortunately the only hose meeting that spec that I've found in a short search comes in 25' lengths for $70+. Here's some for your viewing: http://www.amazon.com/Viton-tubing-I...1726906&sr=8-6

    Viton has excellent ratings when it comes to chemical and fuel resistance. Just a thought.

    I suspect someone, somewhere, sells it by the foot, but no time to search right now.

    Dan, regular fuel line will fail. Clamping 5/16" line on a 1/4" barb may leak.

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  • Dan2060
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    help. see post 185

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  • TallRedRider
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    Originally posted by SliderFighter View Post
    TallRedRider,

    Thanks for getting back so quickly. I guess I was unclear, so I'll try harder: The Airtex E2065 and E2044 are both shorter than the one I pulled out of my boat (description and picture in my last post). I suppose it's possible to modify the carrier to keep it in place, but I'm hoping that someone here can give me a DIFFERENT part number that will be closer in size to my original pump.
    I know it has been a month now, but I should note that the paperwork that came with my Bosch pump specifically stated that they know that the pump might not be the exact size of the pump it replaced but assured that it would still work...and of course they said theirs was of the highest quality.

    So I am not worked up at all over the pumps being slightly different size.

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  • amesgardner
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    Thanks!!!!

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  • Dan2060
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    Interesting. My fuel pump in a 04 xstar went out while at the lake this past weekend. Long story short, went to NAPA and found one the same length and diameter (use 65psi I believe). Line was kinked, so I did a quick fix at the local marine garage at the lake. Used "regular" fuel line 5/16 and put two screw down clamps on it and it ran fine. This was a temporary fix.

    Now for a couple of questions: Is this pump adequate ( enough or not enough pressure, etc). What harm occurs if not?

    Fuel line: I know I need submersible line. How long does this "regular" fuel line typically work in a submersed environment? Why can't I use 5/16 line and put to regular screw down clamps on either end?

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  • SliderFighter
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    TallRedRider,

    Thanks for getting back so quickly. I guess I was unclear, so I'll try harder: The Airtex E2065 and E2044 are both shorter than the one I pulled out of my boat (description and picture in my last post). I suppose it's possible to modify the carrier to keep it in place, but I'm hoping that someone here can give me a DIFFERENT part number that will be closer in size to my original pump.

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  • TallRedRider
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    Originally posted by SliderFighter View Post
    I have a 2001 X-star and need to replace the pump. The NAPA E2065 / Advance E2044 / Delco EP356 part is close, but are all a little smaller than the one I pulled out and won't work for my application. The label on the "Big Daddy" Carter module shows: 71-299S, 23 K00, CGB 98-002. The actual fuel pump itself shows 2290A 291. Photos attached. Can anyone help me by providing a part number that will work?
    The point of this thread is that Carter makes the pumps exclusively for Mastercraft and are very tight lipped about what aftermarket part number will interchange. So no one is going to be able to tell you, and it seems like these guys have tried for sure. I would try one of the recommended pumps and you will find they work fine. As long as the pressure and GPM specs are in line, then you should be fine. I actually used a Bosch pump that cross references with the EP356. Modern technology for sure...it also fits a 1985 Cutlass Supreme, IIRC. I have about 5 hours on the boat so far, and it seems fine.

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