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    Airless paint sprayers?

    I have thought of buying one of these for a long time, but not actively. Now that I've decided that spending a lot of time painting is for suckers, I'm looking again and need some opinions. I asked a painter about the cheap ones and he said they're not worth buying, but I also read comments stating that they work, but have crappy nozzles, so it's best to replace with Graco. I was at HD today and the Graco sprayers aren't terribly expensive. I'm not painting anything huge, but it seems I could rent 5-6 times and spend as much as buying one. If I buy, I don't have to drive anywhere to rent, then find out they don't have one, or that the one they do have was screwed up by the last one to rent it. Plus, it would spray a wide variety of finishes, which is a bonus.

    What say ye?
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    I bought one of these - http://magnum.graco.com/products/M_P...ages/0MagnumX5
    Painted all the interior trim, doors, cabinets, ceilings.. Let's just save the whole story - Painted everything inside and out with this sprayer - IT IS AWESOME! Might of been the best money I spent remodeling the foreclosed house we bought.
    Screws fall out all the time, the world is an imperfect place.

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    • #3
      I have one of the cheap Graco Spray Station HVLP sprayers from Lowes. have used it 6-8 times spraying paint and stain and it has been great. So good that I really feel I got my money's worth from it. I think it was ~$150 or so.
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      • #4
        My question is why do house painters paint with airless and car painters paint with air?

        What are the advantages?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jgraham37128 View Post
          My question is why do house painters paint with airless and car painters paint with air?

          What are the advantages?
          Very good question... Also, why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways???
          Screws fall out all the time, the world is an imperfect place.

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          • #6
            I painted with the Graco X5 and it was awesome. I really thought about buying the harbor freight one recently, and have heard great reviews for $150ish

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jgraham37128 View Post
              My question is why do house painters paint with airless and car painters paint with air?

              What are the advantages?
              One paint is very thick and needs a pump to provide the pressure to spray. Auto paint is very thin and uses air. Air is bad for auto paint because all air has some water in it. That's why you will see auto painters with multiple siphons to pick up any moisture.

              To the OP: Any Graco or Titan is plenty for personal use. Make sure to clean it. That means at least 5 gallons of water through the sprayer when you are done. Do that and it will last a long time.

              My company sprays paint every single day. We use gas powered sprayers because the spread is more even. But all the time I think to myself, heck we have to backroll anyways, why do I have so many $2k sprayers? (I got them for really good deals thats why ) But actually because we fly through trim and ceilings. Literally a 2500 sq ft house gets painted in 1 day all trim and ceilings.

              If you need to order anything please call my family supplier in Texas. It will usually be cheaper than HD or Lowes.

              T-tech industries. http://ttexindustries.com/
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              • #8
                I bought a Graco X9 years ago and it was great. The rebuild kit was like $50 and I have only had to do it once. And it was way easier to rebuild than the heavy duty sprayers. The only downside to owning a sprayer is that everyone else wants to borrow it. This has ended up costing me some cash where people don't clean it out good enough, lost and effed up tips, broken guns, etc. As long as you hide it from your friends and neighbors, it should last a long time.

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                • #9
                  Ok, sorry to hi jack your thread but we are keeping it related to air less paint sprayers. I have all my trim in my house sprayed. I need to touch up and repaint a few windows. I will not use a brush, what i love the most about my trim is there is no brush marks in it. If I have to take everything out of the room and tape up everything I'm fine with it.

                  I would really like to know from one of the everyday painters is what gun would you recommend. Again I'm only using it for windows and trim areas. The less mess the better for me.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jgraham37128 View Post
                    Ok, sorry to hi jack your thread but we are keeping it related to air less paint sprayers. I have all my trim in my house sprayed. I need to touch up and repaint a few windows. I will not use a brush, what i love the most about my trim is there is no brush marks in it. If I have to take everything out of the room and tape up everything I'm fine with it.

                    I would really like to know from one of the everyday painters is what gun would you recommend. Again I'm only using it for windows and trim areas. The less mess the better for me.
                    Dude its kinda expensive but the Graco battery powered sure shot pro (finish grade) is sooooo amazing. Doors, trim whever touch up, soooo beautiful, fast and easy to clean. It gets used daily.

                    Also, if you are worried about brush strokes there is good quality paint that will leave a sprayed look. Even when applied with a brush.

                    In situations where I have to cover oil based trim with latex paint, I use an Alkalyd hybrid acrylic formula paint from Sherwin called Pro Classic (specify the hybrid alkalyd water based acrylic paint) We have to apply this with brushes because there is no way I'm sraying oil or even an oil hybrid acrylic with my spray guns. And that stuff drys smooth as silk.The standard latex Pro Classic is just as good as the acrylic hybrid, I was just using it as my example for when I do have to brush vs over latex ... we spray everytime.
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                    • #11
                      Ok, I believe my trim was originally oil based. Is there a problem if I sand it down and respray over it with latex trim paint?

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                      • #12
                        Yes there is a big problem with that.

                        First you have to rub very well with denatured alcohol, then a full sand coat, then a primer coat, then a paint coat (latex)

                        Best bet is to buy the Sherwin wWilliams Pro Classic Acrylic Alkyd hybrid. With that paint you can paint directly over your oil based paint.

                        I wouldn't spray oil unless you want to never use your sprayer or brush again. Once an oil tool, always an oil tool.

                        Test to see if you have oil based trim now by rubbing the denatured alcohol on your trim and see if it gums up. If it does, its oil.
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                        • #13
                          Here is an example of the best close ups I could find of my most recent use of this product over oil. This was all done by brush or cashmere whizz roller.

                          Color is Dover White.
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                          • #14
                            This is a great pump: Look at this on eBay:

                            NEW Graco Ultra Max II 490 Hi-Boy Professional Airless Paint Sprayer - 249914

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                            http://bit.ly/1o9YVin


                            I live in Portland and bought the same model for about the same money 18 years ago from the same company. Although I no longer paint I once did quite a bit of commercial painting. It is my favorite pump. Years ago it kicked my Titan 660's butt spraying elastomeric on a concrete building. I gave the Titan to my dad.

                            I also had a Graco 190 which is the only cheaper pump with a real fluid section that is serviceable and has a good manifold unlike the magnum line which is complete junk. I had the lowboy 190, unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who plugged it into 220v and burned up the motor which is as much as a new pump to replace so it's gone. It would handle all your needs, just not as nice as the 490, also it comes with a cheaper gun. The Contractor gun that comes with the 490 is what 8/10 pros use.

                            I also have a GracoHVLP, graco 695, 1095, and a 5900 gas powered all of which are very nice but nothing you need!

                            Buy the 490 or the 190, add 50' more line and paint anything.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Traxx822 View Post
                              Yes there is a big problem with that.

                              First you have to rub very well with denatured alcohol, then a full sand coat, then a primer coat, then a paint coat (latex)

                              Best bet is to buy the Sherwin William's Pro Classic Acrylic Alkyd hybrid. With that paint you can paint directly over your oil based paint.

                              I wouldn't spray oil unless you want to never use your sprayer or brush again. Once an oil tool, always an oil tool.

                              Test to see if you have oil based trim now by rubbing the denatured alcohol on your trim and see if it gums up. If it does, its oil.

                              To each their own I guess.
                              I hate pro classic and used mostly Sherwin products. I would have no trouble putting latex over oil. I can't count how many oil packages I have done and never damaged a pump. Solvent based paint actually puts less wear on the seals, rods, and cylinders that make up the fluid section of an airless pump. Latex is actually very abrasive and harder on them, not that I would be concerned about spraying thousands of gallons of latex through my pump either.

                              I don't have many pictures of my work but here's our family cabin, pics were more to highlight the woodwork me and my dad did but my 190 and 490 did all the spraying in and out, the inside is a full two stage lacquer that is as smooth as your high end cabinets would be all the way to the peak of the A frame.

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