MCX engine - exhaust manifold leaks?

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  • mmskiboat
    TT Enthusiast
    • Sep 2019
    • 330

    MCX engine - exhaust manifold leaks?

    We are looking at possibly buying a used boat with a MCX ('06 PS TT).

    On another forum a person was talking about a friend dealing with the following:

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    He had several exhaust manifold leaks (welded pugs rusting out). After several "band aid" fixes he replaced the manifolds with new ones from Indmar. Lasted less than 2 years and same leak issues. No solution from Indmar...he's back to band aid fixes every time another leak happens.
    </end snip>

    Has anyone else had these issues? Is there something that I can look at on the engine to see if this has been a problem? Doubt it is an easy think to inspect casually.
  • DougP
    TT Regular
    • Dec 2017
    • 79

    #2
    My 2007 MCX has 650 hours....no leaks.

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    • mmskiboat
      TT Enthusiast
      • Sep 2019
      • 330

      #3
      Thanks. I would have thought this would have been flagged more if this was a common problem. Hoping others can chime in.

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      • 93Prostar190
        MC Maniac
        • Apr 2005
        • 3821

        #4
        my 2008 MCX no leaks (afraid to type that since my 95 350 has some) .... not a common problem in my book.
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        • wheelerd
          MC Devotee
          • Dec 2007
          • 2023

          #5
          My 05 MCX with 800-ish hours has none.
          2005 X2, Viper Red, MCX, Acme 1285, PPass, rear 750 sacs, KBS, IBS, Bennett Wake Plate
          (previous) 2001 X5, 1991 TriStar 190

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          • 37tr3n5k
            TT Enthusiast
            • Mar 2019
            • 189

            #6
            Yes, this has been discussed lots here. They are called Welch plugs and Indmar carries them. They are just aluminm plugs and can be tig welded in. You can use a grinder and scrape off the paint and expose the aluminum and try to scarify it a bit. A high temperature epoxy or high temp JB Weld will do it. It will leak again if you dont get a good bond, but that is acheived by roughening up the aluminum to create a "profile" the epoxy can bond to... Think " tiny peaks and valleys" so the epoxy has something to hold on to.

            If you really want to fix it without welding it, look at Belzona materials, but read the instructions.

            I have an MCX and two of them started leaking. I applied a Sika high temp epoxy in the spring and then spray painted with gloss black. I will not be welding the welch plugs back in as I put 75 hours on my hoat this season and they didnt start leaking agsin.

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            • mmskiboat
              TT Enthusiast
              • Sep 2019
              • 330

              #7
              @37tr3n5k - thanks, if this something that a MC shop would be able to fix properly as it might be a know issue? While I wish I was able to do this work the fact it that I cannot. Is this just a design flaw or QC issue?

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              • 37tr3n5k
                TT Enthusiast
                • Mar 2019
                • 189

                #8
                If you are convinced you'd like a welded fix, I would not take it to MC. They will just want you to buy the manidolds at 800 a piece. If you convinced them to weld it, I cant imagine what they'd charge and they would likely outsource it anyways. I'd take the manifolds to a welding shop that can perfrom tig welding on cast aluminum. The Indmar welch plugs are a ripoff. You can buy them elsewhere for a fraction of the cost. Depending on where your leaks are, you will likely have to remove your manifolds and disconnect the muffler, etc. As I mentioned above, a proper epoxy fix is more than suitable as you see only low pressures and relatively low temps. The only issue would be adhesion and this is obtained via proper profiling of the substrate (manfold surface).

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                • starman205
                  MC Fanatic
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 618

                  #9
                  2004 MCX, 600 Hrs, No Leaks!
                  NEW BOAT:2004 197TT

                  PREVIOUS BOAT:1993 Prostar 205

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                  • 37tr3n5k
                    TT Enthusiast
                    • Mar 2019
                    • 189

                    #10
                    Another thread for reference. Search "welch" and more threads will show up. The manifolds are ETX.

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                    • wakesurf6786
                      TT Regular
                      • Aug 2016
                      • 97

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mmskiboat View Post
                      @37tr3n5k - thanks, if this something that a MC shop would be able to fix properly as it might be a know issue? While I wish I was able to do this work the fact it that I cannot. Is this just a design flaw or QC issue?
                      I bought my 04X30 1.5 years ago with an MCX engine. It had 600 hours on the boat and the manifolds were leaking. From my research on here and talking to other members that have the same issue, the areas are actually casting plugs. The metal used to seal the areas are designed to fail first. The problem is that both sides of the manifolds have plugs. If you have some leaking eventually the others most likely will. You will not be able to easily access the ones next to the engine for repair. I brought both of my manifolds and some plugs to a local machine shop and they welded both manifolds for $150. I got a new gasket from SkiDim and changed my plugs and wires while I was at it. I used a gasket to avoid using RTp and making a mess. I’ve put approx 150 hours on them now with no issue.

                      If you are going to fix only the ones that are leaking and not pull the manifolds, I would strongly recommend carrying a JB weld set on the boat in the event that you have a bad leak and need a temporary fix to make it back to the dock. I carry one on mine.

                      As was mentioned earlier, new manifolds are $800 apiece. The ones on there are heavy duty and re-welding them has worked for me and save me quite a bit of money. The dealer is going to only do replacement.

                      Also, one last thing. The manifold drain plugs usually break when you take the manifolds off even if you’re careful(they are plastic). Consider going ahead and ordering a pair now. They are inexpensive.

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                      • Lars
                        MC Fanatic
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 526

                        #12
                        I had a few leaking this spring (MCX, 825 hours)and a few that looked like they were about to leak. I opted to pull the manifolds, and have a welding shop replace all of them on both. I paid $100 for the plugs and about $400 for the labor. Hoping that all of them being fresh will last another 800 hours!

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                        • 37tr3n5k
                          TT Enthusiast
                          • Mar 2019
                          • 189

                          #13
                          FWIW.. Ive always told myself instead of replacing the Indmar Manifolds, I would probably go with one of these from Eddie Marine if I was looking at replacement for any reason.

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                          • mmskiboat
                            TT Enthusiast
                            • Sep 2019
                            • 330

                            #14
                            @37tr3n5k Do you think that would be a permeant fix? Better performance?

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                            • SS LS1
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                              • Jul 2006
                              • 1099

                              #15
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