Ballast King or ballast puppy?

I dont think so unless you have at least 1" hoses or bigger, and I'm not really following there math on wakemakers their premium pump is 204$ and pumps 12gpm which is about 100 pounds, and then the ballast king puts out over 120lbs a minute, which is over 2 gallons more a minute or just 20 lbs more. 960gallon per hour would be roughly 4 more gallons per minute. Hope i got that right

I saw that too and considered it. You'd have to have at least 1" hoses and possibly 1.25" to get full flow rate. It pulls more amps so you'd definitely need bigger circuit breakers and possibly thicker gauge wire. I came to the conclusion that unless I was starting from scratch I'd better off installing more ballast puppies instead of changing out a puppy for a king if I wanted a faster fill times.

I am starting from scratch, but putting 3 pumps in that's an extra 300.00 I can use for fittings and hoses. Are the wakemakers and jabs could about the same quality?

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The wake makers pump is nothing more than the johnson ultra ballast with a private label. So you can go to the spxflow.com site and find the specs.

The King can accept a .5 MPT fitting like the other pumps, so it will work with .75 hose. its has a 1" barb fitting on the inlet and outlet as the ultra and puppy, so 1" is ideal. I doubt you would get 1.125 coil reinforced hose crimped down on that 1" barb though.

Being a positive displacement impeller pump, its flow rate is not effected much by smaller hose. The velocity just goes up. They do draw more current though, so wiring and circuit protection do need to be considered.

The King works great as a transfer pump between large surf sacs in listed surf boats.

The difference between 3/4" and 1" hose is night and day imo. My old x1 with 3/4" hose took an eternity to fill 750s. Go 1" or larger for sure. Do you have the electrical system to support 3 of the ballast kings running simultaneously?

I agree with everything you said except this. Im assuming you mean relatively speaking versus a tsunami style pump. While it has less effect, increased head pressure does still decrease gpm. The difference between 0ft of head and 40ft of head with a ballast king is 16gpm versus 1.6 gpm. While 40ft is unlikely, 20ft is the realm of possibility for a bow sack in a 3/4" system with shared intake, distribution manifold, etc.

Having conducted ballast flow comparisons between .75" and 1" hose their respective fittings, I found that the hose made very little difference. In filling a a 400 lb sac, the difference as less than 10 seconds. What did make the measurable difference, was going from the .75" W736 with a .5 ID to the 1" W743 with a .75" ID. This test was done using an aerator pump. Did not need to repeat using an impeller pump for the reason stated earlier, which budman quoted.

Since this thread is comparing the the standard puppy to the king, my comments are regarding those two pumps, no reference to aerators in my previous post.

Impeller pumps are not effected by head pressure to any degree that an aerator pump is. An impeller pump, whether its the king or the standard puppy, will essentially retain their flow rate at the sac, whether they are using .75" or 1" hose.

One piece of your puzzle thats missing, is the size of the hose used in the 40ft test. 40ft of 1" hose will hold more water than 40ft of .75". This weight weight difference adds to the head pressure. So, its possible that at that length, the 1" hose might see a slower flow rate as its pushing more water compared to the .75" hose.

Curious what bags are you thinking about putting in? If the bags are 750 or smaller the puppy over the king is a no-brainer in my mind. If you had say a 400 hard tank with a 1,000 plug and play bag that's were the argument of going to the king or doing two of the smaller pumps makes sense to me.

If I were you I think I'd go with the Johnson or relabeled WakeMaker pumps. They have a slightly higher flow than the Puppy and cost wise are hard to beat. Keep it one pump per bag and you should be a very happy customer.

I have 2x1100 in rear, 360 locker, 650 bow. Thinking one pump per 1100 and then a pump for the Locker and bow sac.

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Good bag and connection choices. Really you can't go wrong with any of the three pumps.

Ballast King install without changing OEM wire/fuse

Has anyone installed the Ballast Kings without rewiring with larger gauge wire or changing the fuse to a larger 25 or 30 amp? I bought two of these to fill the port and starboard piggyback bags on my 2006 X45 but haven't installed them yet. I'm hoping for faster fill times but now worried that they might not work with the exisitng wiring. Thanks for any insight anyone can provide.

Wow I have 800s in the rears on my xstar and that just about fills the comparments. You will be find with saving some $$$ and just going with the spx wakemakers ones. I liked the pre-wired hardness. the job was hard enough and that just made it slightly easier.

I've had kings in place of puppies on my 2002 xstar for the rear bags. My breakers are 25amp, and i've never had an issue. The back 750's fill faster than the front KGB and piggy backs of the same volume with the kings by almost 30%. I have changed all my plumbing with wakemakers 1" tubing however, as my tubing was rotting.

I will be replacing my front puppy with a king when I have the funds. Also, the kings Rob the puppy while filling and draining through the manifold. I'm probably going to through hull the intakes for the pumps next summer to reduce the time it takes to fill in general.

Sorry for the late reply!

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Thanks for the tip. I installed two Ballast Kings for my rear port and starboard tanks and piggy backs (left the ballast puppy for the smaller KGB). All seem to be working smoothly. Plus they really make a difference filling and emptying! I can see what you mean about the manifold. It would be nice to have dedicated intakes but that’s going to have to wait.


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