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indiana wakesurfing and wakeboarding new proposed laws
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MN DNR recently sent out a boating questionnaire. 5 of the questions dealt specifically with surfing, wakes, etc. the way the questions were worded suggested they were targeting a specific response from the public. Looked to be an opportunity for people to vent about nuisance from these activities.
Several of the more popular lakes have already attempted to restrict these activities. Unsuccessful so far, but momentum keeps building. Survey is latest step in this process and likely a precursor for future action.
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Lots of people on small lakes (<200 acres) with small fishing boats and kayaks and canoes, pontoons that never get on plane, etc. Worst wave a lake like this sees might be a 3 footer during a severe storm. Now carelessly run through on a calm day with a sacked out surf or wake boat generating something that large or larger and you are gonna cause trouble swamping and tipping stuff over.
The typical boat not on plane going by pulling little kids on a tube might lap water over my dock....somebody being careless surfing with their wake tractor will wash chairs, beachtowels, tables and drinks off my dock....it has happened.
Note I suggest "carelessly' as there are many on this site that do this responsibly but probably as many or more in this world that don't.
Although I really hate the idea of laws against surfing as it opens the doors to similar laws against other water sports, I can see limits based on the size of boat on a body of water being a reality....
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Has anyone seen what's happening in Portland on the river there? Just look one small tin bat group was on happy hitched enough and got the law changed. What defines a boat as a surf boat vs a yacht? Both can do damage but agreed tubes close to shore do the same thing and make it worse
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Originally posted by hyman989 View PostHas anyone seen what's happening in Portland on the river there? Just look one small tin bat group was on happy hitched enough and got the law changed. What defines a boat as a surf boat vs a yacht? Both can do damage but agreed tubes close to shore do the same thing and make it worse
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Originally posted by osmonet View PostMN DNR recently sent out a boating questionnaire. 5 of the questions dealt specifically with surfing, wakes, etc. the way the questions were worded suggested they were targeting a specific response from the public. Looked to be an opportunity for people to vent about nuisance from these activities.
Several of the more popular lakes have already attempted to restrict these activities. Unsuccessful so far, but momentum keeps building. Survey is latest step in this process and likely a precursor for future action.
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Originally posted by hyman989 View PostHas anyone seen what's happening in Portland on the river there? Just look one small tin bat group was on happy hitched enough and got the law changed. What defines a boat as a surf boat vs a yacht? Both can do damage but agreed tubes close to shore do the same thing and make it worse
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when wed take our old prostar out to ski out there, then anchor it in some of the lagoons to chill for a while, you usually couldnt sit for more than 10-20min before nearly getting swamped by a surfer in the idle only zones.
i think the house boat communities make it easier for people to complain since youre not only swamping their dock but their house hah
Originally posted by H2ORidr View PostOne clown thinks nothing of runnin ~50 feet from shore at times. Those are the people that will ruin it for everyone else.
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I would like to see some real science behind this, because at least in my experience, the tubers around here circle a lake at least 10-20 times more than I ever do. Sure, their wave is smaller, but they also go waaaaay closer to shore.
If their wave is even half my size... or for that matter likely very comparable while they're doing circles and figure eight upon figure eight... frequency plays a big part in the discussion, not simply magnitude.
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Originally posted by 86Skier View PostI would like to see some real science behind this, because at least in my experience, the tubers around here circle a lake at least 10-20 times more than I ever do. Sure, their wave is smaller, but they also go waaaaay closer to shore.
If their wave is even half my size... or for that matter likely very comparable while they're doing circles and figure eight upon figure eight... frequency plays a big part in the discussion, not simply magnitude.
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Looks like University of MN launched a study this past fall;
ST. PAUL, Minn. -- This fall, University of Minnesota researchers will study how regional lakes are being affected by large waves from recreational boating. ...
I remember seeing these, but not sure if they are credible
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/294799932_Wakesurfing_Some_Wakes_are_More_Equal_than_OthersPDF | Recreational boat usage and ownership in Australia is at an all-time high. Every vessel that moves through the water generates wake waves. Of... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
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Originally posted by osmonet View PostWISA Published this in 2015
Looks like University of MN launched a study this past fall;
ST. PAUL, Minn. -- This fall, University of Minnesota researchers will study how regional lakes are being affected by large waves from recreational boating. ...
I remember seeing these, but not sure if they are credible
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...al_than_Others
I sped read a couple, but will read more in depth later tonight. Based on what I did read, they say a wake boat creates about 4x the "devastation".... but nothing I saw so far factors in the number of "laps" or shear number of tube boats on every lake, every saturday vs surf boats.... They're all pass for pass comparisons, which isn't at all realistic. If each tuber does 10x+ the passes, then what?
(Admittedly there's some sarcasm in the above... Distance from shore and other boats remains a factor, and its up to all of us to appreciate... even when tubers, etc, don't.)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CB1ciS3D...d=uz29d2yufjqb for the laws that are affecting right now. They are trying to turn everything red
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Originally posted by 86Skier View PostThank you.
I sped read a couple, but will read more in depth later tonight. Based on what I did read, they say a wake boat creates about 4x the "devastation".... but nothing I saw so far factors in the number of "laps" or shear number of tube boats on every lake, every saturday vs surf boats.... They're all pass for pass comparisons, which isn't at all realistic. If each tuber does 10x+ the passes, then what?
(Admittedly there's some sarcasm in the above... Distance from shore and other boats remains a factor, and its up to all of us to appreciate... even when tubers, etc, don't.)
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thanks for the links i need to read the rest now
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Originally posted by h_2_o View Postthe first one towards the end kind of addresses this even though it is not as much as i would have liked. https://www.wsia.net/wp-content/uplo...ort_Rev_II.pdf they talk of the persistent wind waves being actually worse for a shoreline than a large boat.
Problem is it is a post from a pro suf advocacy group with data that doesn't support their own conclusion in re: wave energy - very clear in the data they provided that surf energy is more powerful than wave energy - they're just comparing to frequency.
1 big energy source vs. many smaller energy sources - but kids getting banged into the dock by surf waves being the complaint - those kids don't get thrown into docks by wind activity other than in storms. So the argument - its a nice calm day people want their grandkids to swim and splash and frolic in the water and someone goes by surfing and their kid on the inflatable donut gets tossed into the dock.
Not fun - and they own that dock and pay that lots tax $ so you better believe their opinions are gonna get heard.
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