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Old 08-17-2019, 11:58 PM
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2015 $598b is total military spending 54% of the federal budget. Its too large and needs to be redirected to infrastructure
Thanks Spooky, but those numbers aren’t correct either. The total federal budget in FY15 was 3.8 trillion which would make that 598 billion just under 16% of the total budget. Of that 16%, a quarter, or 4% of the federal budget is for payroll and benefits of DOD personnel. Last year the DOD budget was 750 billion with a quarter of that going towards payroll. The 70 billion to OCO, which stands for overseas contingency operations, is the money the military uses to fund conflicts.

So, going back to the comment I responded to, the poster said if we stopped fighting the overseas wars at 2 billion a day we could fix our infrastructure. I think I have shown that to not be accurate as we would have to get rid of the DOD completely and if you or anyone else will take the time to read through the articles y’all have linked it spells out everything I have highlighted above.
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:50 AM
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Hey, dams are part of infrastructure and that should be taken care of first. If we weren't spending $2 billion per day...per day on our foreign wars we could easily pay to repair these dams in just 129 minutes.
What if it was Al-Qaeda that took the damn out?
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Old 08-18-2019, 02:52 PM
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Old 08-18-2019, 03:19 PM
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So they are draining the dams with now plan to fix them or a time table to fill them back up?

Sounds like a lawsuit is coming. The amount of money people will lose in property value is sky high.

Seems like this is poor planning.

Why not build coffee dams around the structures and utilize bypass pumping when needed?


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Old 08-18-2019, 03:42 PM
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Thanks Spooky, but those numbers aren’t correct either. The total federal budget in FY15 was 3.8 trillion which would make that 598 billion just under 16% of the total budget. Of that 16%, a quarter, or 4% of the federal budget is for payroll and benefits of DOD personnel. Last year the DOD budget was 750 billion with a quarter of that going towards payroll. The 70 billion to OCO, which stands for overseas contingency operations, is the money the military uses to fund conflicts.

So, going back to the comment I responded to, the poster said if we stopped fighting the overseas wars at 2 billion a day we could fix our infrastructure. I think I have shown that to not be accurate as we would have to get rid of the DOD completely and if you or anyone else will take the time to read through the articles y’all have linked it spells out everything I have highlighted above.
I'm all for a strong military but it is 54% of the discretionary. Apwnsing
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Old 08-18-2019, 04:30 PM
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So they are draining the dams with now plan to fix them or a time table to fill them back up?

Sounds like a lawsuit is coming. The amount of money people will lose in property value is sky high.

Seems like this is poor planning.

Why not build coffee dams around the structures and utilize bypass pumping when needed?


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A fix is being designed, however the minimum time is likely 3 years.

Property has lost some value, but it is still riverfront in an already expensive part of the state. The counties do, however, have a vested interest in investing in the repair(s) because of the potential of diminshed property tax revenues. We do not have state income tax in TX, therefore property taxes are much higher here than in many states that do.

Building of a fixed coffer dam significantly increases the risk of floods due to the inability to lower the top. In order to pass the same amount of water as the dam in its lowered positions, you would need 1500 LF of "weir" or cofferdam and the river is only 500 feet wide. This presents multiple challenges (subsurface utilities, uneven riverbed bottoms modifying flow pattterns over the dam, the required depth of sheetpiling and the length required would be many, many millions of dollars (a team of engineers is currently running FEM analysis of the flows to determine feasibility of placing a cofferdam in a labyrinth fashion).

Bypass pumping of this magnitude would be more expensive than the fix itself. Itbis easy for people to not comprehend the amount of water required to be moved. There is currently a bypass operation in place only to provide drinking water to VT pumps to the treatment plant. The volune being pumped is only 60CFS. On a slow, hot, summer day, the flows of this river are around 700-1000 cfs. Required passage for flood control is 30,000 CFS. Floods have seen flows reach up to 200k CFS. The current bypass operation is running $90k per month. Do the math and you see things are much more complicated than "just" doing this or that. If the water goes above the dam, it could erode the top, creating a chain reaction situation and wash out the entire dam.. not just the gates. This would be catastrophic.

And yes.. this break is the result of poor planning.

Dunlap and Mcqueeney will be fixed as the funds are being allocated via public / private partnerships, however the other lakes are smaller and dont have the populations and wealth on the other two, bigger lakes. It is a very complex and dynamic situation and there are many, many very smart people working towards creative solutions. One thing for sure is it will not happen fast regardless of the replacment option chosen.The report I posted above is pretty nformative and likely the best info publicly available at this time.

Typos compliments of my phone keyboard.

EDIT: "many" states that do.

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Old 08-18-2019, 04:36 PM
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We do not have state income tax in TX, therefore property taxes are much higher here than in states that do.
LOL not only do I have a 6+ % income tax I also have one of the higher (top 5 ?) property tax rates in America. Great to live in a blue State NOT!!!
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:41 PM
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Thanks for posting this....interesting read.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:05 PM
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Thanks Spooky, but those numbers aren’t correct either. The total federal budget in FY15 was 3.8 trillion which would make that 598 billion just under 16% of the total budget. Of that 16%, a quarter, or 4% of the federal budget is for payroll and benefits of DOD personnel. Last year the DOD budget was 750 billion with a quarter of that going towards payroll. The 70 billion to OCO, which stands for overseas contingency operations, is the money the military uses to fund conflicts.

So, going back to the comment I responded to, the poster said if we stopped fighting the overseas wars at 2 billion a day we could fix our infrastructure. I think I have shown that to not be accurate as we would have to get rid of the DOD completely and if you or anyone else will take the time to read through the articles y’all have linked it spells out everything I have highlighted above.
It doesn't matter if the DOD (DOW) was buying marshmallows, it is still money they spent so it counts towards what they cost us as taxpayers.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:06 PM
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What if it was Al-Qaeda that took the damn out?
Then we would be after damn terrorists!!!!
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