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Old 05-12-2021, 11:07 AM
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The tape measure does not lie and says centurion IS number 1 AT 36FT BEHIND THE BOAT. Have yet to see a longer wave to date. Could only imagine what another 3-4k of fatsacs would do to that boat too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bez5Qx8zPXw
Despite your all caps claim the wave was 36ft out it wasn't. By their own admission.

The majority of the time that kid was out about 30-32 feet. Minus the 5 feet of the back deck. Minus the slack in the tape. The rider was obviously experienced and I bet didnt weigh much over a buck 30. So there's that too.....

To be clear I dont think its a bad wave. Looks like a wave I'd like to try sometime. Not sure that particular experiment, although a good try, solves this debate.
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Old 05-12-2021, 07:58 PM
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Thatís the myth I was hanging on to too. Resigned to the idea that centurion had a better wave...but couldnít bring myself to like the boat itself.

But, finally got to surf a bunch of different Centurions last year, and the wave is good- donít get me wrong, but itís in the same ballpark as the X series boats (blows the G out of the water). If the X series boats ran 5,500 pounds of ballast like the centurion- they would be every bit as good, if not substantially better.

Just havenít made a video of it yet.


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Little confused about this. Are you saying the X is better than the G and RI? Just trying to figure out where your stacking each.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:10 PM
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Welp, a buddy who talked me into our first MC just sold his houseboat and '14 X46 for "crazy prices" and blew it on a 2021 Paragon G25.

Per the horse's mouth, cause of course I was nosy enough to ask, the sticker "was circa $380k, but they gave him 18% off". Evidently he checked all the fancy option boxes, including triple axle low pro trailer which was $16k alone. They gotta have stashed some expensive recreational hooch in there too, no? He's sending me the sticker, cause I asked to see it too.

True story.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:16 PM
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Welp, a buddy who talked me into our first MC just sold his houseboat and '14 X46 for "crazy prices" and blew it on a 2021 Paragon G25.

Per the horse's mouth, cause of course I was nosy enough to ask, the sticker "was circa $380k, but they gave him 18% off". Evidently he checked all the fancy option boxes, including triple axle low pro trailer which was $16k alone. They gotta have stashed some expensive recreational hooch in there too, no? He's sending me the sticker, cause I asked to see it too.

True story.
Woof... that's silly. I knew a few people who priced them out and passed

Was that here in CO, or up in ID?
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Old 05-12-2021, 09:36 PM
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Challenge accepted. I can easily run that length or further in a new XStar, so long as I bump it up to 12.5-13mph...... Which seems to be about the speed they are running. Engine is definitely screaming more than my star would be.

Sadly, I won't have my boat until early august

Hate to be that guy....but it is what it is. I definitely want to try that out, and from what I have seen from my XStars at higher surf speeds, 36' will be easy.
Xstar was designed to be the worlds greatest Wakeboard boat (Gkiller). Centurion was designed to be the worlds greatest surf boat. Dont think any boat will ever be able to have both world champion belts at the same time. Cant wait to see your video though.
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Old 05-12-2021, 09:44 PM
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Little confused about this. Are you saying the X is better than the G and RI? Just trying to figure out where your stacking each.

Sorry, just trying to say that in my experience the X series boats have waves that can be on par with centurion.

Both of which, MC and Centurion, are vastly better than the G waves.


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Old 05-12-2021, 09:54 PM
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I have a buddy with a big AXIS maybe 24 and it throws an absolute monster. BUT the sweet spot is small and the boat is absolutely undriveable for anyone who is not very experienced pulling a surfer. My wife has hundreds of hours driving with a wakeboarder or surfer in tow but she will not drive that boat.
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Old 05-12-2021, 10:35 PM
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I have a buddy with a big AXIS maybe 24 and it throws an absolute monster. BUT the sweet spot is small and the boat is absolutely undriveable for anyone who is not very experienced pulling a surfer. My wife has hundreds of hours driving with a wakeboarder or surfer in tow but she will not drive that boat.

My good friend has a Ď19 T22 and that is my similar opinion. Wave is huge, but operating the boat IMO is less desirable than other boats. Bow is way in the air, and donít forget to turn opposite of the gate deployed side!


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Old 05-12-2021, 11:42 PM
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My good friend has a Ď19 T22 and that is my similar opinion. Wave is huge, but operating the boat IMO is less desirable than other boats. Bow is way in the air, and donít forget to turn opposite of the gate deployed side!


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X2. My buddy has a 2020 T22. No issues with the wave. Bow rides way high so everyone stands when driving for surfing. Turning sucks on the side with the deployed gate. Spinning almost 4000 Rpm at 11 mph.

My XT21 is spinning about 3200 rpm at 11.4 mph when surfing.

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Old 05-13-2021, 06:59 AM
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Xstar was designed to be the worlds greatest Wakeboard boat (Gkiller). Centurion was designed to be the worlds greatest surf boat. Dont think any boat will ever be able to have both world champion belts at the same time. Cant wait to see your video though.
Actually, this generation XStar was designed with the primary focus to be- A wakeboard boat that can accommodate, and excell, at providing a great wakeboard wake for ALL skill levels. While also being capable of a top notch surf wave.

It was not designed to be a "G-killer" at all.

They knew the primary focus was surf these days. And that a vast majority of buyers wanted a great pro level wakeboard wake that was also easy for lower speeds, and training beginners....... And everything between.

Past models weren't so great at meeting that goal (Because it wasnt the goal when they were built).

That is coming direct from the MC engineer that does the final validation on hull designs from MC.

This isnt 2013 anymore......... Centurion has been caught in surf performance by several others. At this point Centurion is simply throwing more weight at them, at the cost of 80% of the storage in the boat. Still a great wave, but no longer a standout in a sea full of other great surf boats.
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