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Old 08-06-2020, 08:55 PM
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Since we now have a great core of TT members with the X22 in the quiver, thought it was about time to get this started and gather all best of tips. Only requirement for this X22 thread is to post up pics and input on this fine machine.

Two days ago, at 80 hours on our boat, we finally had the pleasure of connecting with Maniacmikes and having him aboard. MM has got to be one of the most knowledgeable MC X Boat members on TT, he also is a ripping wake surfer and energizes everyone else aboard. Separate thread forthcoming on that outing.

Within 5 minutes, MM had our boat absolutely dialed. It was as if we had a new boat as I was previously running stock surf steep both sides. This was with 350 lbs lead (all rear lockers and under convertible seat for light crew) and roughly 400 lbs crew plus surfer. MM Dialed settings follow:

Dialed Goofy: 100% fill all tanks including switchback, 35% left surf tab, zero center and right tab, 11.4 MPH.

Dialed Regular: 100% fill all tanks including switchback, 25% right surf tab, zero center and right tab, 11.6 MPH.

Our dealer, Alan S at MC CO had also recommended in a Fall 2019 outing that the new Xboats needed far less surf tab than our 2015 Gen2 boats, both of which we ran at 100% opposite surf tab. Stock X22 surf steep tabs were 50% opposite surf tab for goofy and 40% opposite surf tab for regular.

While this may work best for larger crews and allow less tweaking of crew, MMís secret sauce furthered Alan Sís commentary. The less surf tab the better so as not to lift the boat you have just slammed out of the water.








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Old 08-06-2020, 09:52 PM
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It's funny you mention these new boats needing less tab. I came to that same conclusion about a week ago. My daughter was complaining that there was no push on the regular side, and after surfing our friends' MB Tomcat, I was less than thrilled with our goofy side. Last weekend I started backing the tabs down to the 20-25% range regular side, and 30-35% on the goofy side. The wake is immediately improved. Also running 100% on all tanks, but no lead - yet. I've got a shallow entry to our lagoon where our lift is, and already damaged one prop. I'll have to get pics of our wake this weekend, but for now, here's our ride, now at 72 hours:
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Old 08-07-2020, 09:05 AM
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Awesome post Moose!! I'll have to get some pics of mine up soon. I currently have 60 hours. So I have 500 lbs of lead total to distribute. Where would you/he recommend I put the other 150? Right now I have 400 lbs in the rear lockers and 100 in the bow anchor storage.

Only decent pic I have atm is a friend just learning.
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Old 08-07-2020, 10:18 AM
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Old 08-07-2020, 03:36 PM
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Awesome Moose! Thanks for starting the thread. I'll have to take more on water and wave pics and post.

X22 Prop Thread here: https://teamtalk.mastercraft.com/sho...d.php?t=105886
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Old 08-08-2020, 06:45 PM
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Thanks for the updated settings Moose! Gave them a try today with my neighbor who's used to the steeper, lippier wave of his G21 vs. the longer, shallower pushier wave of the X22.

We both agreed the 'dialed' wave above was no doubt steeper and rampier, but it did seem to lose a lot of it's push and it didn't feel as long as the stock wave. However, both of us hated how the nose seems to ride a lot higher (I could easily look over the bow with stock settings while on the bolster but can't with these settings). We messed around a bit and left the front and switchback tanks at 100%, drained the rear tanks down to 75%, and left right tab at 35% while slowing down the speed to 11. The wave ended up maintaining it's steepness but did lose some of the push and length, but dropped the nose quite a bit. I didn't have time to do more fiddling today but will do so this week. Might even try some lead in the nose to see if that helps?

**Edit: I will say I've been more than happy and impressed with the stock settings, but some of the people I ride with want that steeper/rampier wave so have been wanting to try other settings.
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Old 08-08-2020, 07:11 PM
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^10M, roger that on nose high surfing, especially compared to the Gís. Iíve willingly accepted that for the MC wave quality.

Both MM and I are taller, heavier riders (respectively) and the push way back is pretty remarkable. You have to pump to recover from way back but that is true for any craft. Also note MMís and other TT members surf settings are higher speeds to create length, but after they have slammed the rear to get size/steepness/push. Slowing to 11MPH should get a steeper wave with push, but itíll be shorter.

I also early on tried to engage the bow with lead and crew as the new hulls have that bulge from amidships to the front. Instinct was to plow that down deeper, but it just wasnít the same as first getting rear ballast prioritized.

What crew/lead are you running? We are most often 2 aboard plus surfer and 2 of those aboard together total 220 lbs. Once we add another 200lb crew member the wave gets serious on the X22. Just moving 100 lbs of lead from under convertible rear seat to under sacks changes the wave all else equal, this as most boats are sensitive to setup. Stock settings are perhaps is less sensitive.

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Old 08-10-2020, 06:13 PM
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^10M, roger that on nose high surfing, especially compared to the Gís. Iíve willingly accepted that for the MC wave quality.

Both MM and I are taller, heavier riders (respectively) and the push way back is pretty remarkable. You have to pump to recover from way back but that is true for any craft. Also note MMís and other TT members surf settings are higher speeds to create length, but after they have slammed the rear to get size/steepness/push. Slowing to 11MPH should get a steeper wave with push, but itíll be shorter.

I also early on tried to engage the bow with lead and crew as the new hulls have that bulge from amidships to the front. Instinct was to plow that down deeper, but it just wasnít the same as first getting rear ballast prioritized.

What crew/lead are you running? We are most often 2 aboard plus surfer and 2 of those aboard together total 220 lbs. Once we add another 200lb crew member the wave gets serious on the X22. Just moving 100 lbs of lead from under convertible rear seat to under sacks changes the wave all else equal, this as most boats are sensitive to setup. Stock settings are perhaps is less sensitive.

Noob wireless rider way out back.
Super interesting insights. We came from an X25 and I was happier with the X22 keeping the nose lower with full stock settings, so was a little dismayed these new settings have it riding like an MB or Supra.

I had no complaints over the stock settings, but wanted to try to tweak to replicate the steeper/rampier wave for my neighbor since we switch off boats fairly often. The higher speed/ballast of the specs you posted got us that, but I actually thought the length decreased further out back with the steeper wave/higher speeds which is counter to what you're saying. Stock, I was able to get 20-25' off the back without too much trouble, modified I start to wash out at the 20' mark.

50% of the time it's one driver (~180#) and one rider. 45% of the time it's one driver and one adult passenger (total weight 320# or so). The last 5% we have 6-10 on board and the wave is just ridiculous. I run no lead but do have 150# sitting in the garage to be put in.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:58 AM
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Thank you moosehead. Built a custom profile with your specs and it produces a great/different wake. Its fun to play around on a faster/firmer wake like this! Greatly appreciated and please keep the info coming!
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Old 08-11-2020, 09:57 PM
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Moose those settings in your 1st post are mind blowing. The wave was actually too big for my wife. We did that setup with a few hundred pound of lead to move around and 4 adults in the boat. The regular wave was nearly the same as stock settings, 800 lbs of lead,, and 15 people in the boat.

Pic of boat coming soon.
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